[this is mine - mneideng] Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [5] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 16 ] [ 8+ ] Normal Subtitle [ 6 ] [ ? ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 8 ] [ 6+ ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: The last two disc formats strike me as a great way to appease both sides of the CC debate; the only possible drawback is the loss of CAV. I am not afraid of the original Japanese releases, and am learning Japanese in the hopes of becoming independent of the translations at some point in time, though I always want the translations available. I have spent over $2500 on anime in the last year, and do not expect this to slacken any time in the forseeable future. From brubaker@crl.com Tue May 2 20:03:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mail.crl.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id UAA17936; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:03:26 -0700 Received: from crl2.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA04201 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 May 1995 20:03:01 -0700 Received: by crl2.crl.com id AA16391 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu); Tue, 2 May 1995 20:01:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:01:20 -0700 From: Joseph Brubaker Message-Id: <199505030301.AA16391@crl2.crl.com> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Organization: CRL Network Services X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Status: RO Okay, here goes... : Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : I prefer: : [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime : [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime : Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: : [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles : [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles : Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) : Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: : [1] Normal subtitle : [6] Normal dub : [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning : for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) : [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning : for subtitling : [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side : [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side : Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) : How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect : to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? : [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant : Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) : How many LD's of the following types do you: : OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY : Original Japanese [ 35+ ] [ ??? ] : Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ ? ] : Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : dubbed w/out CC : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : dubbed with CC : Question 6: : Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Closed captioning is in no way a viable alternative to "real" subtitles. I would certainly never go anywhere near such a product. Granted, I've only purchased 2 U.S. releases on LD, but this is only because the quality is so poor compared to the Japanese pressings. As far as U.S. releases go, no one's gotten it right yet. From CSCI1B07@cl.uh.edu Tue May 2 20:33:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from uhcl2.cl.uh.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id UAA23404; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:33:51 -0700 Received: from uhcl2.cl.uh.edu by uhcl2.cl.uh.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #8382) id <01HQ1LAXDIYO005ENL@uhcl2.cl.uh.edu>; Tue, 02 May 1995 22:34:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 22:34:01 -0600 (CST) From: C-ko Kotobuki Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Message-id: <01HQ1LAXFXS2005ENL@uhcl2.cl.uh.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, you write... >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1 ] Normal subtitle > [6 ] Normal dub > [5 ] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4 ] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3 ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2 ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [1 ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 10 ] [ 4 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 5 ] [ 2 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 1 ] [ 0 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: The move from normal subtitles to closed captions will force me to resort to fansubs or other means to get my anime. Closed captions are a blight to watch, they are crude and large. People like myself don't even have closed caption ability, and do NOT want to be forced into buying a separate decoder. You cannot exclude a large number of fans from your subtitles when everybody cannot view them. From jmbowman@MIT.EDU Tue May 2 21:04:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id VAA28320; Tue, 2 May 1995 21:04:14 -0700 Received: from PERICLES.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16211; Wed, 3 May 95 00:04:06 EDT Message-Id: <9505030404.AA16211@MIT.EDU> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Wed, 3 May 95 00:04:05 From: jmbowman@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Bowman ) Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [5] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Normal Subtitle [ 24 ] [ 10 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 4 ] [ 10 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 3 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: My "plan to buy" section in question 5 covers through August. The last format mentioned is 0 largely because as far as I know, none of these exist yet. From astroboy@neosoft.com Tue May 2 21:11:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from sam.neosoft.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id VAA29498; Tue, 2 May 1995 21:11:52 -0700 Received: from scooter-ppp-da.NeoSoft.com (scooter-ppp-da.NeoSoft.com [198.65.165.214]) by sam.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA15835 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:11:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 23:11:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199505030411.XAA15835@sam.neosoft.com> From: astroboy@neosoft.com (Mr. Fun) To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Status: RO >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [4] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY (in my lifetime) > Original Japanese [ 2] [ ] > Normal Subtitle [ 20] [ ] > Normal Dub [ 1] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 14] [ 100] From eebrock@engin.umich.edu Wed May 3 00:10:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from dhaka.engin.umich.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id AAA29622; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:10:52 -0700 Received: (eebrock@localhost) by dhaka.engin.umich.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id DAA26714; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:11:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:11:27 -0400 From: eric e brock Message-Id: <199505030711.DAA26714@dhaka.engin.umich.edu> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Status: RO > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [3 ] [many ] > Normal Subtitle [11 ] [many ] > Normal Dub [1 ] [0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [0 ] [0 ] > One side subbed, other [0 ] [0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [0 ] [1 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: The thing that is most important to me is that the anime is not cut or edited in any way. I want the art form released in the U.S. in as close to original format as possible. All good art films are released with subtitles in the U.S. and bad films are released as dubs. I prefer to think of anime a "good stuff." I know that comerical companies need to make money and expand their market, but I would ask that they remember us fans also (I hope that we make up a major part of the market share). On another note, I am the president of a fan club at a university. We have 350-400 members who perfer subtitled anime. My job is to get them to buy quality subtitled anime that has been released here in the U.S. Please release you LD in a subtitled format for the fans (who are the ones buying the LDs). The video tapes are for the general audience and can be released in sub or dub formate (but again please don't edit or "Americanize" it). Thanks, Eric Brock, President Animania, the University of Michigan Japanese Animation Film Society > > > > > >-- >/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng >"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR >"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" > -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict -- ============================================================================ Eric E. Brock Gokuraku eebrock@engin.umich.edu Animania-The University of Michigan Japanese Animation Film Society Animania WWW home page - http://www.umich.edu/~animania/Animania.html From fwong@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Wed May 3 01:51:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from ux4.cso.uiuc.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id BAA12755; Wed, 3 May 1995 01:51:38 -0700 Received: (from fwong@localhost) by ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id DAA13642; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:51:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:51:35 -0500 From: Biggles Dictates a Letter Message-Id: <199505030851.DAA13642@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Status: RO ---- Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [5] Normal dub [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [6] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 5 ] Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ 4 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 2 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC -- /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict -- Felix "Dare ka ga itta,'Koi wo sureba fwong@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu samishiku naru' to..." "Purrr......." - _Twilight_, BGC 4 Soundtrack From redsky@aloha.net Wed May 3 02:32:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from hookomo by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id CAA17904; Wed, 3 May 1995 02:32:38 -0700 Received: from maui-17.u.aloha.net by hookomo with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0s6amr-000uKcC; Tue, 2 May 95 23:32 WET Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 May 95 23:32 WET From: redsky@aloha.net (Kevin Alexander) To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re:[POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) References: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: HF Society Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [x] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [2] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section)> How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with espect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [20 ] [10 ] Normal Subtitle [80 ] [100 ] Normal Dub [3 ] [ ] Dub/normal audio & CC [20 ] [40 ] One side subbed, other [0 ] [20 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [0 ] [20 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: I buy any and all domestically released anime on laserdisc except for discs solely with dubbing and no Japanese soundtrack. If I did (like Urotsukidoji and My Neighbor Totoro) it's only because I didn't know beforehand. -- Kevin Alexander HF Society C H I L L redsky@aloha.net 'Anyone for a game of BOX?' T O W N P "I'm crazy mad in love with you!" - Kudo Shizuka R O D U C ----> Redhook ESB is the BEST! <---- T I O N S "Get the picture?" "Even got the frame." From tzonglee@parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Wed May 3 02:51:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id CAA20159; Wed, 3 May 1995 02:50:58 -0700 Received: (from tzonglee@localhost) by parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) id CAA00253; Wed, 3 May 1995 02:50:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 02:50:51 -0700 From: Tzong Ying Lee Message-Id: <199505030950.CAA00253@parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Status: RO ---- Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [10 ] [5 ] Normal Subtitle [3 ] [lots more] Normal Dub [0 ] [0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [4 ] [3 ] One side subbed, other [0 ] [5 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [0 ] [0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: -- /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict From beldandy@uclink2.berkeley.edu Wed May 3 03:35:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id DAA26052; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:35:54 -0700 Received: by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/1.33(web)-OV2) id DAA21816; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:35:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:35:51 -0700 From: beldandy@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Sonya Choi Lee) Message-Id: <199505031035.DAA21816@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [ ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 2 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 40 ] [as many as I can] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 14 ] [ 0 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Sonya Choi beldandy@uclink2.berkeley.edu From andrean@cs.utexas.edu Wed May 3 03:58:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id DAA29133; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:58:07 -0700 Received: from needmore.cs.utexas.edu (andrean@needmore.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.138.122]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA14180 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 05:58:05 -0500 Received: by needmore.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.12/Client-v1.4) id FAA16906; Wed, 3 May 1995 05:58:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 05:58:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Andre A. Nurwono" To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [4] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 1 ] [ 1 ] Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ 2 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 2 ] [ 3 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 2 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 6 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Note that my buying plans would depend heavily on the availability of my preferred format: that the original exists untouched on the digital track. Andre Nurwono | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha, andrean@cs.utexas.edu | thrust... (BOINNNG!)" - Daffy Duck From jubei@iaido.iemitsu.shogunate Wed May 3 04:06:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id EAA00941; Wed, 3 May 1995 04:06:40 -0700 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.54]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11372(6)>; Wed, 3 May 1995 01:06:31 -1000 Received: from nts65.dialup.Hawaii.Edu (nts188.dialup.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA24536; Wed, 3 May 95 01:01:14 HST Message-Id: <9505031101.AA24536@uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:04:15 -1000 From: Yagyu Jubei X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S [for USMC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 9 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 8 ] [ 7 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 4 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Video and audio transfer are also of extreme importance. Care should be taken to prevent laser rot. From roshi@grazzt.umd.umich.edu Wed May 3 06:28:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from grazzt.umd.umich.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id GAA22814; Wed, 3 May 1995 06:28:46 -0700 Received: from null.umd.umich.edu (roshi@null [141.215.69.11]) by grazzt.umd.umich.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA23075 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:28:03 -0400 From: Andy Ehlert Received: (roshi@localhost) by null.umd.umich.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id JAA06461; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:28:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:28:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199505031328.JAA06461@null.umd.umich.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime References: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Status: RO >---- >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [x] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [4] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [2] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 4 ] [Lots ] > Normal Subtitle [10 ] [lots ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 6 ] [lots ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ lots ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ lots ] > dubbed with CC >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: please make sure it is a good transfer, and the japanese sound track is on the digital tracks. -- Muten Roshi (Andy Ehlert) Saiya-jin Productions E-Mail: roshi@umd.umich.edu WWW: http://www.umd.umich.edu/~roshi/ President of The Science, Fact, Fiction, and Fantasy Gaming Club Organizer: U of M Dearborn Anime Showings On irc: M_Roshi From BRETTM@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Wed May 3 06:29:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id GAA22916; Wed, 3 May 1995 06:29:22 -0700 Received: from tomobiki.ads.uga.edu by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 03 May 95 09:27:35 EDT To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) From: BRETTM@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Brett Middleton) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:26:56 Message-ID: Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0] [ 0] > Normal Subtitle [ 35] [ many] > Normal Dub [ 1] [ 0] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0] [ 5+] > One side subbed, other [ 0] [ 2] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0] [ 0] > dubbed with CC >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: From umcleme0@cc.UManitoba.CA Wed May 3 07:59:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id HAA09648; Wed, 3 May 1995 07:59:22 -0700 Received: from merak.cc.umanitoba.ca (umcleme0@merak.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.108.10]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA15761 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:59:19 -0500 From: David Jason Clemens Received: by merak.cc.umanitoba.ca (4.1/25-eef) id AA28010; Wed, 3 May 95 09:59:18 CDT Date: Wed, 3 May 95 09:59:18 CDT Message-Id: <9505031459.AA28010@merak.cc.umanitoba.ca> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime References: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Status: RO In rec.arts.anime you write: ] The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of ] opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer ] American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed ] responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to ] rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. ] The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND ] IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. ] Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an ] emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. ] ---- ] Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) ] I prefer: ] [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime ] [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime ] Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) ] If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: ] [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles ] [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles ] Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) ] Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: ] [3] Normal subtitle ] [6] Normal dub ] [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning ] for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) ] [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning ] for subtitling ] [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both ] dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side ] [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both ] dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side ] Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) ] How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect ] to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? ] [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant ] Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) ] How many LD's of the following types do you: ] OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY ] Original Japanese [ 1 ] [ 3 ] ] Normal Subtitle [ 9 ] [ 2 ] ] Normal Dub [ ] [ ] ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 9 ] [ 3 ] ] One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] ] dubbed w/out CC ] One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] ] dubbed with CC ] Question 6: ] Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Plan to buy is a strange field... I plan to buy a lot of LDs, but most are waiting on the release. Lodoss, Video Girl Ai, Ranma, etc. only 2 LDs that will be released in the next month tho. the CC ones are Tenchi Muyou, which I only bought because its my favorate show, and even bad captioning wasn't going to deter me. ] -- ] /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng ] "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR ] "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" ] -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict From at2u+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 3 08:09:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id IAA11100; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:09:18 -0700 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA06363 for mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:09:02 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Jan.26.1995.18.43.47.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron P Teske To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Status: RO Well, I'm shoving my comments in the middle of things, just to make them more coherent. I think. Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.anime: 3-May-95 [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR.. by Mark L. Neidengard@wrath > Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime However, this preference comes from lots of bad dubs. I find myself watching Green Legend Ran in English, rather than in Japanese... it was a *very* good dub, IMHO. > Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [x] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Actually, I'm not sure, since this situation has yet to arise.... > Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Of course, the reverse of Pioneer's format (#3) really would not be made in the US, since it would be an English-speaking market. And again, if the dub is really good, having it on the digital track does not hurt. > Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > > Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 3 ] [ 3+? ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 4 ] [ 1+? ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] > dubbed with CC The ?'s are questions; right now, 0, but I'll buy things if that's the format they're released in. The things I'm currently looking to buy are Detonator Orgun (USMC, normal subs I think), Record of Lodoss War (USMC, might be anything at this point), and Wings of Honneamise (probably the Pioneer bi/CC release, since that, too, was a really good dub). The "hybrid" disks (normal sub/normal dub on opposide sides) depends on what AnimEigo brings out. > Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: My main problem with stating my views is that anime seems to be in a rapid state of change. With more and more anime appearing in the US, more options keep appearing as people try to both attract new fans and keep the "old-timers" happy. IMHO, I see the CC subs becoming predominent, though AnimEigo's hybrid disks would certainly sell well in the fan community. Assuming all the English dubs start improving (Wings of Honneamise and Green Legend Ran being the best so far, but still not *great*), I might be watching more anime in English. Certainly makes it easier to cook and eat dinner while doing so.... Aaron Teske mithramuse+@cmu.edu From chennav@haas.berkeley.edu Wed May 3 08:41:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from haas.berkeley.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id IAA15776; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:41:28 -0700 Received: by haas.berkeley.edu (5.65/Haas-1.34) id AA09071; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:41:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:41:21 -0700 From: chennav@haas.berkeley.edu (John Chennavasin) Message-Id: <9505031541.AA09071@haas.berkeley.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Haas School of Business, University of California, Berkeley Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 5 ] [ 3 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ 3 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 4 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 2 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: From brandal0@tiger.gtc.georgetown.ky.us Wed May 3 09:36:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from tiger.gtc.georgetown.ky.us by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id JAA23613; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:36:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199505031636.JAA23613@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu> Received: by tiger.gtc.georgetown.ky.us (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA135409027; Wed, 3 May 1995 12:37:07 -0400 From: Dana Bloyd Subject: R.A.A. USMC POLL To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Date: Wed, 3 May 95 12:37:07 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Status: RO here are my responses to your poll (in abbreviated format, sorry): Question 1: SUBTITLED Question 2: PERMANENT Question 3: [2] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [3] Digital dub, analog original, close-cap [5] Analog dub, digital original, close-cap [1] Normal sub on one side, dub and original on other w\CC [4] Normal sub on one side, dub and original on other w/o CC Question 4: 5 Question 5: I currently own no LD; I am, however, buying one within the month. Question 6: Let me comment a little on question five. I have no LD yet, but will buy one within the month and then hope to collect as many titles as possible on LD (I only started collecting anime last december). The titles I will buy will be subtitled unless no other format is available, and I fully intend on purchasing import LD's of films by the likes of Miyazaki. When purchasing, I give preference to subtitled anime over both dubbed or bilingual. Also, in Question 3, although "Normal subtitle" is listed second, I understand that it is the most feasible of all the options. Thank you for taking the time to conduct this poll. -- Bill Randall brandal0 @ gtc.georgetown.ky.us Georgetown College From shimkevi@acs.bu.edu Wed May 3 09:51:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from acs2.bu.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id JAA25614; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:51:40 -0700 From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu Received: by acs2.bu.edu (8.6.11/BU_SmartClient-1.0) id MAA119114; Wed, 3 May 1995 12:47:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 12:47:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199505031647.MAA119114@acs2.bu.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you wrote: : Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : I prefer: : [ ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime : [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Sorry, no preference whatsoever. Depends on what the show is like, what mood I am in, etc, etc. : Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: : [X] Closed-captioned subtitles : [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles : Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) : Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: : [5] Normal subtitle : [6] Normal dub : [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning : for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) : [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning : for subtitling : [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side : [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side : Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) : How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect : to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? : [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant From davisrj@arts.dfrc.nasa.gov Wed May 3 11:52:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from arts.dfrc.nasa.gov by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id LAA14278; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:52:40 -0700 Received: from nautilus.dfrc.nasa.gov by arts.dfrc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04237; Wed, 3 May 95 11:52:39 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 95 11:52:39 PDT From: davisrj@arts.dfrc.nasa.gov (Roy Davis) Message-Id: <9505031852.AA04237@arts.dfrc.nasa.gov> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Organization: PRC Inc., NASA-Dryden FRF X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you wrote: : The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of : opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer : American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed : responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to : rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. : The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND : IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. : Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an : emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. : ---- : Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : I prefer: : [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime : [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime : Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: : [X] Closed-captioned subtitles : [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles : Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) : Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: : [4] Normal subtitle : [5] Normal dub : [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning : for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) : [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning : for subtitling : [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side : [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side : Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) : How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect : to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? : [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant : Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) : How many LD's of the following types do you: : OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY : Original Japanese [ 16 ] [ 12 ] : Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ 3 ] : Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : Dub/normal audio & CC [ 2 ] [ 1 ] : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : dubbed w/out CC : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : dubbed with CC : Question 6: : Please enter any comments you wish to make below: My prefered LD format would be the bilingual CC format, mainly because you get the original animation without the blemish of subtitles, as well as the options of subtitles and dub track should you wish to use them. - Roy ============================================================================= = Roy Davis is = PRC Inc. = "Look, let me go = = davisrj@arts.dfrc.nasa.gov = P.O. Box 273 = back in there and = = = Building 4839/NASA = face the Peril" = = = Edwards, CA 93523 = -- The Holy Grail = ============================================================================= http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Projects/F18SRA/ARTS/roy.html From ctw0%bucket@gte.com Wed May 3 12:18:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from ns.gte.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id MAA18143; Wed, 3 May 1995 12:18:33 -0700 From: ctw0%bucket@gte.com Received: from bunny.gte.com by ns.gte.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA28889; Wed, 3 May 1995 15:16:46 -0400 Received: from bucket.cisl214 by bunny.gte.com (8.6.9/GTEL2.19) id PAA29688; Wed, 3 May 1995 15:18:28 -0400 Received: from flask.cisl214 (dazzle) by bucket.cisl214 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00759; Wed, 3 May 95 15:18:27 EDT Date: Wed, 3 May 95 15:18:27 EDT Message-Id: <9505031918.AA00759@bucket.cisl214> Received: by flask.cisl214 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02251; Wed, 3 May 95 15:18:07 EDT To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) In-Reply-To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu's message of 3 May 1995 02:23:40 GMT Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Reply-To: ctwilkes@gte.com Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [x] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 25 ] [ ] Normal Subtitle [ 27 ] [ 1 ] Normal Dub [ 1 ] [ ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 13 ] [ 1 ] One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: -- C. T. (Tom) Wilkes INTERNET: ctwilkes@gte.com From jkatin@pcnet.com Wed May 3 16:55:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id QAA00824; Wed, 3 May 1995 16:55:54 -0700 Received: by pcnet1.pcnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01328; Wed, 3 May 95 19:57:27 EDT Date: Wed, 3 May 95 19:57:27 EDT From: jkatin@pcnet.com (Jeff Katin) Message-Id: <9505032357.AA01328@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Organization: PCNet, Connecticut's Internet Provider X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you wrote: : The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of : opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer : American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed : responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to : rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. : The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND : IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. : Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an : emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. : ---- : Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : I prefer: : [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime : [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime : Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: : [X] Closed-captioned subtitles : [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles : Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) : Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: : [1.5] Normal subtitle : [6] Normal dub : [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning : for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) : [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning : for subtitling : [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side : [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side : Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) : How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect : to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? : [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant : Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) : How many LD's of the following types do you: : OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY : Original Japanese [ 5 ] [ many ] : Normal Subtitle [ 0 ] [ many ] : Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ none ] : Dub/normal audio & CC [ 8 ] [ none ] : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ some ] : dubbed w/out CC : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ some ] : dubbed with CC : Question 6: : Please enter any comments you wish to make below: CAV/CLV: CAV is very important, but if cost becomes an issue (i.e. CAV would cause it to become 2 discs instead of 1) then CLV is acceptable. Also, PLEASE put logical side breaks on CAV discs, no middle-of-scene breaks. CC/Sub: I prefer CC subs, but hard subs are acceptable in a pinch. I really like to abliliey to turn the subs OFF and get an unblemished picture if desired. It also causes a clearer picture in the most part, skipping one generation of masters Dual Version LDs: If there is a significant price difference between putting the program on once, in a single format, or putting it but subbed and not. Dont do it. I'd rather have hard subs then have to pay extra for dual formats. : -- : /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng : "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR : "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" : -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Jeff Katin | "At the end of the journey, all men think |jkatin@pnet.com | that their youth was Arcadia..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gavigan@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu Wed May 3 18:14:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from venice.mps.ohio-state.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id SAA11740; Wed, 3 May 1995 18:14:32 -0700 Received: by venice.mps.ohio-state.edu (8.6.10/1.890401) id VAA12611; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:14:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:14:19 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Gavigan" Message-Id: <199505040114.VAA12611@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Ohio State University Physics Department Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [3] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [5] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 2 ] [ ] > Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > > Ryan Gavigan gavigan@ venice.mps.ohio-state.edu > From alpha!eurotaku@wwa.com Wed May 3 18:33:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from sashimi.wwa.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id SAA14490; Wed, 3 May 1995 18:33:29 -0700 Received: from alpha by sashimi.wwa.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s6pu5-001VyxC; Wed, 3 May 95 20:40 CDT Received: by alpha.IXO.be (AmigaSmail2.0 for ) id <0000000000111s@alpha.IXO.be>; Wed, 03 May 1995 13:54:18 CET Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 13:59:51 +0100 Organization: Urd-sama's Desk - Relief Goddess Office X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 1.0d6 Message-Id: <9505031354.0000000000111r@alpha.IXO.be> From: eurotaku@IXO.be (Jeroen Croux) To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Status: RO > The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of > opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer > American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed > responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to > rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > > The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND > IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > > Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an > emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > > ---- > > Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > > Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [x] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > > Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [3] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > > Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > > Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 74 ] [ 17 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 4 ] [ 12 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 4 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > > Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: In question 3 - last 2 options - I assumed original audio on DIGITAL track! In question 4, I want to make clear that CLV is not important (I have a digital memory in my LD player) but as a lot of CLV discs are rather badly pressed (USA made ones) causing cross-over interferences (herringbone patterns), I do usually go for CAV when buying US discs. In question 6, I counted the no's of discs in a box separately. Planning to buy is within the next 3-6 months. One side sub/other dub without CC I assumed to be the new AnimEigo format. As you are passing this on to USMC, I would like to say to them following : I have sofar bought no USMC discs for several reasons : - lousy video transfer - some people who can tell told me the translation contains several errors (this was in connection with the RG Veda release) - USMC uses Image. Image's main manufacturer is Mitsubishi, which has considerable rot problems. When you are in the process of changing formats, why not change your production process (digital mastering - better video transfers) and your manufacturer/distributor. If you don't want to switch to Pioneer, then insist with Image that they use CBS/Sony Japan or Kuraray for manufacturing your discs. No matter what format you choose, if your video quality does not come up to par with Pioneer/AnimEigo's and if your discs are still manufactured by Mitsubishi, COUNT ME OUT! I will NOT buy your discs yet happily shell out more than double for an imported disc! Mata ne! Jeroen From patricn@eng.clemson.edu Wed May 3 21:42:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from eng.clemson.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id VAA09947; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:42:45 -0700 Received: from carnot.eng.clemson.edu.eng by eng.clemson.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09030; Thu, 4 May 95 00:42:43 EDT Date: Thu, 4 May 95 00:42:43 EDT From: patricn@eng.clemson.edu (patrick nguyen) Message-Id: <9505040442.AA09030@eng.clemson.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USM Status: RO In article 6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu, mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) writes: > The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of > opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer > American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed > responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to > rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > > The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND > IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > > Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an > emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > > ---- > > Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > > Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > > Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5 ] Normal subtitle > [6 ] Normal dub > [4 ] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3 ] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2 ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1 ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > > Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3 ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > > Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ 7 ] > Normal Dub [ 1 ] [ 4 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 5 ] [ 4 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > > Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > > > > > > > -- > /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng > "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR > "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" > -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict From PSMCGU@ccmail.monsanto.com Thu May 4 10:38:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from tin by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id KAA04894; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:37:57 -0700 Received: from ccgtwint.monsanto.com by tin (5.65/Monsanto1.7) id AA03925; Thu, 4 May 1995 12:37:43 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by ccmail.monsanto.com id AA799616611; Thu, 04 May 95 12:35:06 cst Date: Thu, 04 May 95 12:35:06 cst From: "PETER S MCGUIGAN" Message-Id: <9504047996.AA799616611@ccmail.monsanto.com> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [2] Normal subtitle [4] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [6] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ - ] Normal Subtitle [ 0 ] [ 50 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 10 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ - ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ - ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ - ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: I am a new fan, so the subtlties of recording on analog vs. digital track are not clear to me. Likewise, CAV vs. CLV. You may want to delete my answer to #4 for that reason. I strongly support subs over dubs. From balagtad@seq.oit.osshe.edu Thu May 4 10:41:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from osshe.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id KAA05272; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:41:25 -0700 Received: from seq.oit.osshe.edu (seq.OIT.OSSHE.EDU [140.211.71.7]) by osshe.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA05974 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:41:21 -0700 Received: by seq.oit.osshe.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA24064; Thu, 4 May 95 10:39:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 10:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Balagtas Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) (fwd) To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [5] Normal dub [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [6] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 10 ] [ 5 ] Normal Subtitle [ 15 ] [ 4 ] Normal Dub [ 2 ] [ 1 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 0 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: -- /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict From captsam@tcp.com Thu May 4 13:09:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from tcp.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id NAA22503; Thu, 4 May 1995 13:09:03 -0700 Received: (from captsam@localhost) by tcp.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id NAA01574 for mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu; Thu, 4 May 1995 13:08:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:08:53 -0700 From: Sam Chung Message-Id: <199505042008.NAA01574@tcp.com> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: USMC Poll.. Content-Length: 1582 Status: RO 1: [ ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime 2: [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles 3: [ ] Normal subtitle [ ] Normal dub [ ] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [ ] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [ ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [ ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side (The above in this order: 1, 6, 5, 3, 4, 2) -- 4: CAV (1, for US Discs, 5 for Japanese Disc [AnimEigo 3M LDs suck!]) CLV (5) --- 5: Original Japanese [ ] [ ] Normal Subtitle [ ] [ ] Normal Dub [ ] [ ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ ] [ ] One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] dubbed with CC 5; (Many) 7; (Many) 0; 0 (never) 0; 0 (if DUB on Digital) -- (maybe a few if Original on DIGITAL Track) 0; (many?) 0; (many?) -- [I don't know] --- --- Comments: Again, I hate the dubs. I don't mind the bilingual disks as long as they have the Japanese on the Digital Track (at leas tthat way I can resub them later) DUBS SUCK! I'll never buy USMC again if they go to their new format with the DUB on the Digital Track. --- Sam From kirati@u.washington.edu Thu May 4 22:39:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mead3.u.washington.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id WAA06752; Thu, 4 May 1995 22:39:32 -0700 Received: by mead3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA38260; Thu, 4 May 95 22:39:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 95 22:39:31 -0700 From: Kirati Laisathit Message-Id: <9505050539.AA38260@mead3.u.washington.edu> X-Sender: kirati@mead3.u.washington.edu To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [x] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [5] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ 4 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 7 ] [ 3 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Other comments. Question 5 It is rather confusing in the "plan to buy" category. You should provide a time frame for the question. For example, instead of asking how many more LD purchases are planned, you should ask, how many LD purchases are planned in the next 6 months. Frankly, I answer question 5 with that kind of limited horizon in mind. Now, different people will have different horizon. The end result is your sample will be full of bias. Question 4 I think you might have forgotten another format. I haven't seen myself, but I heard a few complaints about LD with subtitled and dub digital/ original analog track. In addition, whereas the last two choices are extremely desirable, they are not very realistic. I don't think that any producer will start throwing every trick into LD format. Including these two chices will only skew your result dramatically. Since these last two are highly desirable, most people will select them. Consequently, you won't have sufficient observations for other choices. Kirati From tkinnen@Packet.Net Thu May 4 22:48:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from Packet.Net by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id WAA07839; Thu, 4 May 1995 22:47:57 -0700 Received: from ftm017.packet.net by Packet.Net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14461; Fri, 5 May 1995 00:49:36 -0400 From: tkinnen@Packet.Net (Thomas Kinnen) Received: by ftm017.packet.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.13B/1.0um) id AA0140; Fri, 05 May 95 00:24:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 05 May 95 00:24:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9505050724.AA0140@ftm017.packet.net> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) content-length:99 Status: RO mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) writes: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [x] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [3] Normal subtitle > [4] Normal dub > [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [2] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [6] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0] [ 2] > Normal Subtitle [ 13] [ 5] > Normal Dub [ 0] [ 0] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 21] [ 11] > One side subbed, other [ 0] [ 0] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0] [ 0] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: On question #3 I do not have any in the last 2 formats so I rate them at the bottom. On question #4 I would give up the CVA if they would fill both sides of the disc at the same or close to price (ex: I would not nind losing the CVA if Pioneer did 4 Eposiods per LD at the 39.95 price). Other then that I would rather have an LD is CVA with Sub on one track and dub on another with CC rather then Sub on one side and Dub on another (ex: the last two formats in question #3) Internet: tkinnen@sobhrach.com | Thomas Kinnen * Ft Myers, Fl * USA Internet: tkinnen@packet.net | Running OS/2 Warp! Fido: 1:371/3901 | AnimeNet: 401:813/0 Geek Code 2.1: GCS/MU d H>++ s:+ g++(-) p4+ au+ a25 w-(++) v(*) C++$>++++ L+>+++ N++ E? W_(+)$ -po+ Y+ t+@ 5@ !j R(+++) tv+@ b+++@ D- B- e+(*) u**(+) h++ f+ r@ n-(---) x+(*) From mingso@netcom.com Thu May 4 23:41:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id XAA15001; Thu, 4 May 1995 23:41:41 -0700 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA06406; Thu, 4 May 1995 23:40:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 23:40:54 -0700 From: mingso@netcom.com (Ming Yau So) Message-Id: <199505050640.XAA06406@netcom11.netcom.com> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Hen na Hen na Uchuu ! Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [2] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 16 ] [ 30 ] Normal Subtitle [ 36 ] [ 15 ] Normal Dub [ 1 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 1 ] [ 10 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 2 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: If the companies are going to offer the hybird-discs, they should priced the disc no more expensive than a normal sub/dub disc unless they also offer a normal single-sided sub/dub disc, since most of the people just need one format, and they should not be charged for the stuff they don't want/need. When doing bilingual disc, they should always put the original track on digital, the "general" public usually don't care about the track quality, but many fans do care about it. -- ============================================================================== Ming Yau So Internet: mingso@netcom.com AOL: Ming So ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From isaackuo@ocf.Berkeley.EDU Fri May 5 07:12:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from tempest.berkeley.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id HAA18229; Fri, 5 May 1995 07:12:31 -0700 Received: by tempest.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA11408; Fri, 5 May 1995 07:12:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 07:12:27 -0700 From: Isaac Ji Kuo Message-Id: <199505051412.AA11408@tempest.berkeley.edu> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [ ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant 4 >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 3 ] [ 2 ] > Normal Subtitle [ ] [ ] > Normal Dub [ ] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 2 ] [ ] > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed with CC >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: It's hard to say how many LD's I'm planning to buy. I was saving up for a box set, which implies 5 or more (original Japanese) LDs. Now that I have the ~$500 to spare, I no longer want the box set I was saving up for (Ranma OAV set--I'm now waiting for Viz to release bilingual discs). I'm now shopping around. The two other LDs I plan on are DNA2, which I'm fansubbing. -- _____ Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@OCF.berkeley.edu) __|_>o<_|__ As the world looked on ... Earth's fate hung in balance ... /___________\ The fight for survival ... now begins! ... FINAL BATTLE IN ... \=\>----- Received: from novice.uwaterloo.ca by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id HAA25910; Fri, 5 May 1995 07:58:25 -0700 Received: by novice.uwaterloo.ca id <159452>; Fri, 5 May 1995 10:58:34 -0400 From: Alan Liu To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo Message-Id: <95May5.105834edt.159452@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 10:58:22 -0400 Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > IXprefer: > [ ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > P1ease rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [6] Normal subtitle > [5] Normal dub > [ ] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > 4 for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [ ] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > 3 for subtitling > [ ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > 2 dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [ ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > t3 CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [ ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN0NOW PLAN 0O BUY > Original Japanese [ 7 ] [ ? ] > Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Dub [ 1 ] [ ? ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ ? ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] > dubbed with CC > -- .:XXX XXXXX XXXXx. X /XXX\ | Alan S. Y. Liu XX X X...X' X xxx X...X | - University of Waterloo 2A Elec. Eng. `:XXX X X X Xxxxx X X | - Where am I?? CLUB THAT REALLY LIKES ANIME | - email: asyliu@io.org From na@SEI.CMU.EDU Fri May 5 15:46:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from as0a.sei.cmu.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id PAA07634; Fri, 5 May 1995 15:46:07 -0700 Received: from iq.sei.cmu.edu by as0a.sei.cmu.edu (8.6.9/3.00) id SAA29689; Fri, 5 May 1995 18:42:43 -0400 Received: from localhost.sei.cmu.edu by iq.sei.cmu.edu (8.6.10/3.00) id SAA04666; Fri, 5 May 1995 18:42:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199505052242.SAA04666@iq.sei.cmu.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Fri, 05 May 95 18:42:35 EDT From: Neal Altman Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, you write: The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. ---- Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [2] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [3] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 20 ] [ 4 ] Normal Subtitle [ 55 ] [ 15 ] Normal Dub [ 2 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 12 ] [ 10 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: I'm essentially uninterested in dubs. My criteria for a good dub is one I don't have to listen to. In Question 5, do you mean number of discs or number of titles? I answered on the basis of titles. In Question 5, the "Plan to Buy" column is essentially meaningless without some sort of time frame. Plan to buy this within a year? Have on preorder? Would like to buy if I win the lottery? From ender@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM Fri May 5 12:33:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id MAA07447; Fri, 5 May 1995 12:33:22 -0700 Received: (from ender@localhost) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.6.10/8.6.10) id OAA06292; Fri, 5 May 1995 14:33:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 14:33:21 -0500 From: Ender Wiggin Message-Id: <199505051933.OAA06292@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> X-Provider: NeoSoft, Inc.: Internet Service Provider (713) 968-5800 To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: World Welfare Work Association - Neosoft Branch Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 25 ] [ ] > Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: For question 4 about CAV/CLV, I like CAV for short stuff (like under 1hour) so that it fits on 1 disc. For longer movies, CLV. It's just too much of a pain to switch out 5 disc like Fantasia. Pressing the same material on 2 sides of a disc seems like a waste of resources for me (even though most anime is released on one side). I don't think I would like to the pay the premium for such a feature. Anthony "Are..." "Are..." Ender Lau "ARE..." Wiggin /***************************\/===========================================\ |ender@starbase.neosoft.com | "Demo, atashi no hoo ga niatte wa ne"-Yuri | \***************************/| Animedia special on Project Eden. ========/ \==================================/ Still Searching For Intelligent Life From hamaguch@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Fri May 5 22:39:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id WAA13319; Fri, 5 May 1995 22:39:03 -0700 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11668(6)>; Fri, 5 May 1995 16:37:49 -1000 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu via suspension id <184682>; Fri, 5 May 1995 16:37:38 -1000 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu id <184680>; Fri, 5 May 1995 16:30:50 -1000 From: Ron Hamaguchi To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of Hawaii Message-Id: <95May5.163050hst.184680@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 16:29:21 -1000 Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Purposely left blank. I don't mind either way. >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [3] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [2] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ ~35 ] [at least 8] Completes, Taiho Shichauzo and Iria > Normal Subtitle [ 5 ] [don't know.] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [6 ] [don't know ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > > > > > > >-- >/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng >"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR >"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" > -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict -- Trouble Consultant, WWWA, Queen's Branch, Hawaii. TIP#379 hamaguch@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu From homer!joho@remcomp.fr Sun May 7 14:33:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id OAA11448; Sun, 7 May 1995 14:32:38 -0700 Received: by homer (MKS Internet Anywhere); Sun, 07 May 95 23:26:56 UTC From: joho@homer.remcomp.fr (Hans ter Horst) To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Sun, 07 May 1995 23:05:55 +0200 X-MAILER: MKS Internet Anywhere - Compose 1.1d X-MKSIA-SN: 3990233733 Message-Id: <799889216@homer> Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you wrote: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 34] [ LOTS ] > Normal Subtitle [ 5] [ LOTS ] > Normal Dub [ ] [ NONE ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ ] [ NONE ] > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > > CC is a problem in Europe. > > -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ __| _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_| _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _| _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _|_/ _/ Hans ter Horst _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ __/ _/_/_/_/ joho@homer.remcomp.fr From anthony.visser%canrem.com@mail.uunet.ca Sun May 7 20:22:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from sloth.ugcs.caltech.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id UAA17399; Sun, 7 May 1995 20:22:05 -0700 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca by sloth.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id UAA19484; Sun, 7 May 1995 20:20:43 -0700 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193856-6>; Sun, 7 May 1995 22:53:10 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09003; Sun, 7 May 95 22:48:00 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1E059A; Sun, 7 May 95 22:14:53 -0500 To: MNEIDENG@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORM From: anthony.visser@canrem.com (Anthony Visser) Message-Id: <60.15735.104.0C1E059A@canrem.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 23:12:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: RO MLN> Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) MLN> I prefer: MLN> [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime MLN> [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime MLN> Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) MLN> If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I MLN> prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles MLN> [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles MLN> Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) MLN> Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being MLN> lowest: [4] Normal subtitle MLN> [6] Normal dub MLN> [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed- MLN> captioning MLN> for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) MLN> [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed- MLN> captioning MLN> for subtitling MLN> [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both MLN> dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side MLN> [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both MLN> dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side MLN> Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) MLN> How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with MLN> respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? MLN> [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant MLN> Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) MLN> How many LD's of the following types do you: MLN> OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY MLN> Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ ] MLN> Normal Subtitle [ 15 ] [ 2+ ] MLN> Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] MLN> Dub/normal audio & CC [ 3 ] [ 15+ ] MLN> One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] MLN> dubbed w/out CC MLN> One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] MLN> dubbed with CC MLN> Question 6: MLN> Please enter any comments you wish to make below: The last 2 items on question 3, have been rated the same as I feel the CC is completely irrelevant in this case. I also rate it 3rd because of the additional cost of this format. Also the normal dub getting a 6 rating is somewhat irrelevant, since I would never buy one. In question 5, the plan to buy column contains the number already ordered, since I don't know the total number of episodes in some of the series. Anthony.Visser@Canrem.Com * Q-Blue 2.0 [NR] * From Pon.Poko@jhu.edu Mon May 8 09:26:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from jhuml2.hcf.jhu.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id JAA27337; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:25:58 -0700 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #5488) id <01HQ8LCFU26OI3SJUV@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu>; Sun, 07 May 1995 22:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #5488) id <01HQ8LCDAYYOI2MEK2@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu>; Sun, 07 May 1995 22:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu id <684-2>; Sun, 7 May 1995 22:49:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 May 1995 22:49:13 -0400 From: Steve Liu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) In-reply-to: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Message-id: <95May7.224920edt.684-2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 1 ] [ few ] > Normal Subtitle [ 15 ] [not many now that cc is available] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 2 ] [ many ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Now that CC soft-subtitle discs are becoming more prevalent, that will be my preference when buying titles. I will be buying fewer hard-subtitled LDs from now on. I have always viewed hard-subtitles as a necessary evil, but now that CC subbing is available I am much happier. If two titles were available from two companies and I liked both equally, I would buy the title that had CC subtitles over the hard-subtitles. Hybrid discs waste space that could be used for better purposes such as more anime or the anime in CAV format. It would be silly to not have CC on any laserdisc, as it helps the hearing impaired. _ . (_' -|- .-. .-. | . You sir, are an ignorant asshole. ._) | \`' \/ \`' |__ | |_| --Robert J Woodhead Pon.Poko@jhu.edu From stuart%fianna.demon.co.uk@post.demon.co.uk Mon May 8 10:15:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id KAA05429; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:14:58 -0700 Received: by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa14279; 8 May 95 18:00 GMT-60:00 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa26995; 8 May 95 9:26 GMT-60:00 Received: from fianna.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id ab19638; 8 May 95 9:25 GMT-60:00 Date: Mon, 08 May 95 08:00:42 GMT Message-ID: <14209@fianna.demon.co.uk> From: Stuart Gale Organization: MAGE Editing Services Reply-To: stuart@fianna.demon.co.uk To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) X-Mailer: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 58 Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [2] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 1 ] [ 3 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 7 ] [ 3 ] > Normal Dub [ 2 ] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 12 ] [ 8 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 1 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: As I commented earlier in the thread, for those of us in PAL land, the option of seeing CC as a function of the TV is not available. There are no TVs I'm aware of that come with decoders. And, even if they did, the NTSC standard is not the same as the PAL standard, so they wouldn't be picked up. The best idea so far (though I've not seen one yet) is the AnimEigo hydrid disk, but that will probably only be practical when the running length is short enough and the dub has been done at the same time as the sub. -- **************************************************************** Stuart Gale Internet: stuart@fianna.demon.co.uk "Speak softly and carry a beagle" **************************************************************** From Steve_Sakurai@pdxml2.mentorg.com Mon May 8 18:14:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from newsgw by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id SAA28238; Mon, 8 May 1995 18:14:52 -0700 Received: from wv.wv.mentorg.com by newsgw (8.6.4/CF5.22R) id VAA23261; Mon, 8 May 1995 21:13:45 -0400 Received: from pdxml2.mentorg.com by wv.wv.mentorg.com (8.6.8.1/CF5.22R) id SAA28655; Mon, 8 May 1995 18:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 8 May 1995 18:03:10 U From: "Steve Sakurai" Subject: Poll To: "Mark N" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Mark L. Neidengard, mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu writes: >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [x] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 15 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 15 ] [ 10 ] > Normal Dub [ 2 ] [ 1 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 4 ] [ 2 ] > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: If closed captioning is used, it NEEDS to be _mixed case_! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Steve "Sizzler Black" Sakurai | Oregon: | | Mentor Graphics Corporation | Scenic Waystation for | | steve_sakurai@mentorg.com | 100t HyperDimensional SuperHammers | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From robertt@mel.dbce.csiro.au Tue May 9 19:29:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from highett.mel.dbce.csiro.au by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id TAA22024; Tue, 9 May 1995 19:28:53 -0700 Received: by highett.mel.dbce.csiro.au id AA16735 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/DBCE-1.1 for mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu); Wed, 10 May 1995 12:28:51 +1000 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:28:51 +1000 From: Robert Thompson Message-Id: <199505100228.AA16735@highett.mel.dbce.csiro.au> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: CSIRO, Div. Building Constr. and Eng'ing, Melb., Australia Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [3] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 20 ] [ 12 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 25 ] [ 4 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 10 ] [ 2 ] > One side subbed, other [ 1 ] [ 1 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > CC decoders are unavailable in my country, so CC subtitles are considered to be useless to me for many years to come. Someday a worthwhile box may become available to me (given no-one seems able to recommend one now) but it is not the way to bet. CC capability is not considered worthwhile by me when making a purchase choice. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ | Robert Thompson CSIRO Division of Building, Construction and Engineering | | Post Office Box 56, Highett, Victoria, Australia 3190 | | Internet: robertt@mel.dbce.csiro.au Tel:+61 3 252 6182 Fax:+61 3 252 6241 | |___________________________________________________________________________| | Team H Australia | Melbourne Anime Society | "Otaku no baka" | |______________________|_____________________________|______________________| | Though this be madness, yet there is method in it - William Shakespeare | |___________________________________________________________________________| Article 176418 of rec.arts.anime: Path: nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!tee2 From: tee2@po.CWRU.Edu (Thomas E. Evans) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Subject: USMC Poll Alan Peters Detailed Results [Long] Date: 8 May 1995 20:20:33 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 166 Message-ID: <3olueh$msc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: tee2@po.CWRU.Edu (Thomas E. Evans) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Here is a breakdown of my current Anime LD selection: 38 titles on 53 discs. Boxed sets like UY TV 1-10 and Urotsuidoji count as one title. FHE: 2 USMC: 10 Streamline: 3 Pioneer: 2 Sony: 1 Animeigo: 13 Right Stuf: 3 A.D. Vision: 2 Fox: 1 Original Japanese: 1 I guess the winner is Animego, not only did they have the most titles but also the most expensive title. Subtitled: 25 Dubbed: 7 Bilingual: 3 Bilingual/CC: 2 Original Japanese: 1 CAV: 5 CLV: 30 CLV/CAV: 3 ------------------------------------------------------- What I plan to buy, these are not guesses, they are not stacked to favor any format. I have prepaided for the following discs and only wait for their arrival. I will give you the titles along with what I think is the correct information about that title. Armitage III Part 1: Electro Blood -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Armitage III Part 2: Flesh & Stone -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Baoh -Animeigo Hybrid CLV Battle Angel Alita -A.D. Vision Sub CAV (I have been waiting for this to come out for a long time. I really like A.D. VisionUs laserdisc pressings.) Castle of Cagliastro -Streamline Bilingual CLV El Hazard/The Magnificent World -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Hakken-Den/Tale of the Eight Dogs Vol. 1 -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Macross Plus Volume 1 -Manga Entertainment Bi/CC CAV Phantom Quest Corp Volume 1 -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV (Yes, I know this already came out, but I havenUt picked it up yet.) Phantom Quest Corp Volume 2 -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Professional:Golgo 13 (The) -Streamline Bilingual CLV Toward the Terra -USMC? Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 1 Only You -Animeigo Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 3 Remember My Love -Animeigo Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 4 Lum the Forever -Animeigo Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 5 Final Chapter -Animeigo Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 6 Always my Darling -Animeigo Sub CLV Wind Named Amnesia (A) -USMC? Sub CLV If all the information is correct then my future buying plans are as follows: 18 titles Manga Entertainment: 1 USMC: 2 Streamline: 2 Pioneer: 6 Animeigo: 6 A.D. Vision: 1 Subtitled: 8 Dubbed: 0 Bilingual: 2 Bilingual/CC: 7 CAV: 8 CLV: 10 CLV/CAV: 0 Now to answer the questions to the USMC poll: Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [x] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [5] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed- captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed- captioning for subtitling [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [1] [0] Normal Subtitle [25] [8] USMC, Animeigo, A.D. Vision Normal Dub [7] [0] Fox, Right Stuf, FHE Dub/normal audio & CC [2] [7] Pioneer, Manga Entertainment One side subbed, other [0] [1] Animeigo (new) dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [0] [0] Nobody? dubbed with CC You left out Streamline's format which would be Dub/normal audio [3] [2] Streamline Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: I am not about to rule out CC subtitles yet. The black box can be made transparent and a more attractive font can be used. From what I've read on the net, multiple subtitles can be shown on the screen at the same time for speech and song translations. Text in different colors or different positions can be used to signify different speakers. CC is capable of having multiple subtitled tracks containing very simple subtitles, ones that children can read to very detailed tracks that could make even the strongest willed otaku proud. There is even a text mode that you could switch to that could give you something equivalent to realtime liner notes. I would love to have Japanese culture explained to me, read how this particular word or sight gag was impossible to translate into English or just someplace that might translate that what is written on the side of the man's thermos is Tea, whether it is important to the story or not. :^) The key player in all of this is Pioneer who makes all the key components to satisfy an Anime fan. Pioneer makes Laserdisc players, VCRs, TVs, Laserdiscs, Videotapes, Anime, and Bilingual LDs with CC subtitles. They started this discussion and they could just as easily put an end to it with equipment with excellent CC capablities built in and Anime that uses those capabilites to the fullest. The descisions being made here have just as much impact on people who watch Anime on videotape as it does LDs since videotape is also capable of having CC. Alan D. Peters From agitator@kaiwan.com Wed May 10 21:00:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from kaiwan.kaiwan.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id VAA01056; Wed, 10 May 1995 21:00:05 -0700 Received: (agitator@localhost) by kaiwan.kaiwan.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA17066; Wed, 10 May 1995 21:00:00 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 21:00:00 -0700 From: "Profess'nal Agitator" Message-Id: <199505110400.UAA17066@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 42 ] [ 10+ ] > Normal Subtitle [ 5 ] [ 5 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 7 ] [ 10 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 3 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Agitator #-> * Now there are two reasons to boycott Island Records / Corporate SST Still* * 1. the Negativland incident 2. Manga Video // Sucks Rock* *------------- R E M E M B E R B E I J I N G --------------//------------* *IBM PC - Who wants a politically correct computer? \\ // Only AMIGA!* *================================= Bring Back the Caltech \X/ Cannon!! ====* *Roderick Lee, HMC '91 "The Professional Agitator" agitator@kaiwan.com* From izumi.DIALix.oz.au!michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au Fri May 12 11:10:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from perth.DIALix.oz.au by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id LAA06540; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:10:26 -0700 Received: from izumi.UUCP (izumuucp@localhost) by perth.DIALix.oz.au (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) with UUCP id CAA06852 for mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu; Sat, 13 May 1995 02:10:19 +0800 Received: by izumi.DIALix.oz.au (UUPC/extended 1.11x); Fri, 12 May 1995 01:13:10 WST Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:13:10 WST From: "Michael Studte" Message-ID: <2fb245a6.izumi@izumi.DIALix.oz.au> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [x] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [3] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ ~50 ] [ many ] Normal Subtitle [ 3 ] [ some ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 0 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ some ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ some ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: CC is a format that will not work for anyone outside the NTSC region. We cannot get LDs in any subtitled or dubbed format, so we have to buy them from the US. BUT, CC decoders outside the US (ie. in PAL countries) don't work with NTSC LDs (different scan line is used for the CC codes). So, normal subtitles are obviously preferred over CC subs. -- +--Madoka---Teeta---ChaCha---Ryouko---Rikako---Noa---Lipmila--+ | Michael Studte, 46 Hackbridge Way, Bayswater 6053, Australia| | CUTE RULES! | Team H Australia | Gatchaman: The Legend Lives| | RAADORS Gold Card Member /Ryouko---Rikako---Noa---Lipmila--+ +--Madoka---Teeta---ChaCha/ From WWL1411@ACS.TAMU.EDU Sat May 13 09:11:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from VMS2.TAMU.EDU by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id JAA19941; Sat, 13 May 1995 09:11:56 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 11:11:39 -0500 (CDT) From: BILL LOVELL To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Message-Id: <950513111139.20498d4e@ACS.TAMU.EDU> Subject: USMC Poll Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [3] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [2 ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 5 ] Normal Subtitle [ 3 ] [ 6 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 0 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 3 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: There are a lot of TV sets that do not have a CC decoder. It is not a good idea to expect a portion of your audience to purchase additional equipment. Subtitles are preferable to dubs, at the current time it is rare to find replacement voice actors who are as good as the originals. From brubaker@crl.com Tue May 2 20:03:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mail.crl.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id UAA17936; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:03:26 -0700 Received: from crl2.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA04201 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 May 1995 20:03:01 -0700 Received: by crl2.crl.com id AA16391 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu); Tue, 2 May 1995 20:01:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:01:20 -0700 From: Joseph Brubaker Message-Id: <199505030301.AA16391@crl2.crl.com> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Organization: CRL Network Services X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Status: RO Okay, here goes... : Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : I prefer: : [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime : [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime : Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: : [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles : [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles : Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) : Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: : [1] Normal subtitle : [6] Normal dub : [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning : for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) : [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning : for subtitling : [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side : [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side : Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) : How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect : to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? : [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant : Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) : How many LD's of the following types do you: : OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY : Original Japanese [ 35+ ] [ ??? ] : Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ ? ] : Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : dubbed w/out CC : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : dubbed with CC : Question 6: : Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Closed captioning is in no way a viable alternative to "real" subtitles. I would certainly never go anywhere near such a product. Granted, I've only purchased 2 U.S. releases on LD, but this is only because the quality is so poor compared to the Japanese pressings. As far as U.S. releases go, no one's gotten it right yet. From CSCI1B07@cl.uh.edu Tue May 2 20:33:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: from uhcl2.cl.uh.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id UAA23404; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:33:51 -0700 Received: from uhcl2.cl.uh.edu by uhcl2.cl.uh.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #8382) id <01HQ1LAXDIYO005ENL@uhcl2.cl.uh.edu>; Tue, 02 May 1995 22:34:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 22:34:01 -0600 (CST) From: C-ko Kotobuki Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Message-id: <01HQ1LAXFXS2005ENL@uhcl2.cl.uh.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, you write... >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1 ] Normal subtitle > [6 ] Normal dub > [5 ] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4 ] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3 ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2 ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [1 ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 10 ] [ 4 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 5 ] [ 2 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 1 ] [ 0 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: The move from normal subtitles to closed captions will force me to resort to fansubs or other means to get my anime. Closed captions are a blight to watch, they are crude and large. People like myself don't even have closed caption ability, and do NOT want to be forced into buying a separate decoder. You cannot exclude a large number of fans from your subtitles when everybody cannot view them. From jmbowman@MIT.EDU Tue May 2 21:04:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id VAA28320; Tue, 2 May 1995 21:04:14 -0700 Received: from PERICLES.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA16211; Wed, 3 May 95 00:04:06 EDT Message-Id: <9505030404.AA16211@MIT.EDU> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Wed, 3 May 95 00:04:05 From: jmbowman@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Bowman ) Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [5] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Normal Subtitle [ 24 ] [ 10 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 4 ] [ 10 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 3 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: My "plan to buy" section in question 5 covers through August. The last format mentioned is 0 largely because as far as I know, none of these exist yet. From astroboy@neosoft.com Tue May 2 21:11:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: from sam.neosoft.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id VAA29498; Tue, 2 May 1995 21:11:52 -0700 Received: from scooter-ppp-da.NeoSoft.com (scooter-ppp-da.NeoSoft.com [198.65.165.214]) by sam.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA15835 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:11:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 23:11:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199505030411.XAA15835@sam.neosoft.com> From: astroboy@neosoft.com (Mr. Fun) To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Status: RO >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [4] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY (in my lifetime) > Original Japanese [ 2] [ ] > Normal Subtitle [ 20] [ ] > Normal Dub [ 1] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 14] [ 100] From eebrock@engin.umich.edu Wed May 3 00:10:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: from dhaka.engin.umich.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id AAA29622; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:10:52 -0700 Received: (eebrock@localhost) by dhaka.engin.umich.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id DAA26714; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:11:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:11:27 -0400 From: eric e brock Message-Id: <199505030711.DAA26714@dhaka.engin.umich.edu> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Status: RO > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [3 ] [many ] > Normal Subtitle [11 ] [many ] > Normal Dub [1 ] [0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [0 ] [0 ] > One side subbed, other [0 ] [0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [0 ] [1 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: The thing that is most important to me is that the anime is not cut or edited in any way. I want the art form released in the U.S. in as close to original format as possible. All good art films are released with subtitles in the U.S. and bad films are released as dubs. I prefer to think of anime a "good stuff." I know that comerical companies need to make money and expand their market, but I would ask that they remember us fans also (I hope that we make up a major part of the market share). On another note, I am the president of a fan club at a university. We have 350-400 members who perfer subtitled anime. My job is to get them to buy quality subtitled anime that has been released here in the U.S. Please release you LD in a subtitled format for the fans (who are the ones buying the LDs). The video tapes are for the general audience and can be released in sub or dub formate (but again please don't edit or "Americanize" it). Thanks, Eric Brock, President Animania, the University of Michigan Japanese Animation Film Society > > > > > >-- >/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng >"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR >"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" > -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict -- ============================================================================ Eric E. Brock Gokuraku eebrock@engin.umich.edu Animania-The University of Michigan Japanese Animation Film Society Animania WWW home page - http://www.umich.edu/~animania/Animania.html From fwong@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Wed May 3 01:51:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from ux4.cso.uiuc.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id BAA12755; Wed, 3 May 1995 01:51:38 -0700 Received: (from fwong@localhost) by ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id DAA13642; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:51:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:51:35 -0500 From: Biggles Dictates a Letter Message-Id: <199505030851.DAA13642@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Status: RO ---- Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [5] Normal dub [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [6] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 5 ] Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ 4 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 2 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC -- /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict -- Felix "Dare ka ga itta,'Koi wo sureba fwong@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu samishiku naru' to..." "Purrr......." - _Twilight_, BGC 4 Soundtrack From redsky@aloha.net Wed May 3 02:32:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: from hookomo by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id CAA17904; Wed, 3 May 1995 02:32:38 -0700 Received: from maui-17.u.aloha.net by hookomo with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0s6amr-000uKcC; Tue, 2 May 95 23:32 WET Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 May 95 23:32 WET From: redsky@aloha.net (Kevin Alexander) To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re:[POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) References: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: HF Society Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [x] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [2] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section)> How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with espect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [20 ] [10 ] Normal Subtitle [80 ] [100 ] Normal Dub [3 ] [ ] Dub/normal audio & CC [20 ] [40 ] One side subbed, other [0 ] [20 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [0 ] [20 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: I buy any and all domestically released anime on laserdisc except for discs solely with dubbing and no Japanese soundtrack. If I did (like Urotsukidoji and My Neighbor Totoro) it's only because I didn't know beforehand. -- Kevin Alexander HF Society C H I L L redsky@aloha.net 'Anyone for a game of BOX?' T O W N P "I'm crazy mad in love with you!" - Kudo Shizuka R O D U C ----> Redhook ESB is the BEST! <---- T I O N S "Get the picture?" "Even got the frame." From tzonglee@parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Wed May 3 02:51:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id CAA20159; Wed, 3 May 1995 02:50:58 -0700 Received: (from tzonglee@localhost) by parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) id CAA00253; Wed, 3 May 1995 02:50:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 02:50:51 -0700 From: Tzong Ying Lee Message-Id: <199505030950.CAA00253@parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Status: RO ---- Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [10 ] [5 ] Normal Subtitle [3 ] [lots more] Normal Dub [0 ] [0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [4 ] [3 ] One side subbed, other [0 ] [5 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [0 ] [0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: -- /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict From beldandy@uclink2.berkeley.edu Wed May 3 03:35:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id DAA26052; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:35:54 -0700 Received: by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/1.33(web)-OV2) id DAA21816; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:35:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:35:51 -0700 From: beldandy@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Sonya Choi Lee) Message-Id: <199505031035.DAA21816@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of California, Berkeley Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [ ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 2 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 40 ] [as many as I can] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 14 ] [ 0 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Sonya Choi beldandy@uclink2.berkeley.edu From andrean@cs.utexas.edu Wed May 3 03:58:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id DAA29133; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:58:07 -0700 Received: from needmore.cs.utexas.edu (andrean@needmore.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.138.122]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA14180 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 05:58:05 -0500 Received: by needmore.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.12/Client-v1.4) id FAA16906; Wed, 3 May 1995 05:58:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 05:58:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Andre A. Nurwono" To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [4] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 1 ] [ 1 ] Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ 2 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 2 ] [ 3 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 2 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 6 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Note that my buying plans would depend heavily on the availability of my preferred format: that the original exists untouched on the digital track. Andre Nurwono | "Ho, haha, guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, ha, andrean@cs.utexas.edu | thrust... (BOINNNG!)" - Daffy Duck From jubei@iaido.iemitsu.shogunate Wed May 3 04:06:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id EAA00941; Wed, 3 May 1995 04:06:40 -0700 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.54]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11372(6)>; Wed, 3 May 1995 01:06:31 -1000 Received: from nts65.dialup.Hawaii.Edu (nts188.dialup.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA24536; Wed, 3 May 95 01:01:14 HST Message-Id: <9505031101.AA24536@uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:04:15 -1000 From: Yagyu Jubei X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S [for USMC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 9 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 8 ] [ 7 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 4 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Video and audio transfer are also of extreme importance. Care should be taken to prevent laser rot. From roshi@grazzt.umd.umich.edu Wed May 3 06:28:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from grazzt.umd.umich.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id GAA22814; Wed, 3 May 1995 06:28:46 -0700 Received: from null.umd.umich.edu (roshi@null [141.215.69.11]) by grazzt.umd.umich.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA23075 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:28:03 -0400 From: Andy Ehlert Received: (roshi@localhost) by null.umd.umich.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id JAA06461; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:28:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:28:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199505031328.JAA06461@null.umd.umich.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime References: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Status: RO >---- >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [x] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [4] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [2] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 4 ] [Lots ] > Normal Subtitle [10 ] [lots ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 6 ] [lots ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ lots ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ lots ] > dubbed with CC >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: please make sure it is a good transfer, and the japanese sound track is on the digital tracks. -- Muten Roshi (Andy Ehlert) Saiya-jin Productions E-Mail: roshi@umd.umich.edu WWW: http://www.umd.umich.edu/~roshi/ President of The Science, Fact, Fiction, and Fantasy Gaming Club Organizer: U of M Dearborn Anime Showings On irc: M_Roshi From BRETTM@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Wed May 3 06:29:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id GAA22916; Wed, 3 May 1995 06:29:22 -0700 Received: from tomobiki.ads.uga.edu by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 03 May 95 09:27:35 EDT To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) From: BRETTM@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Brett Middleton) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:26:56 Message-ID: Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0] [ 0] > Normal Subtitle [ 35] [ many] > Normal Dub [ 1] [ 0] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0] [ 5+] > One side subbed, other [ 0] [ 2] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0] [ 0] > dubbed with CC >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: From umcleme0@cc.UManitoba.CA Wed May 3 07:59:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id HAA09648; Wed, 3 May 1995 07:59:22 -0700 Received: from merak.cc.umanitoba.ca (umcleme0@merak.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.108.10]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA15761 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:59:19 -0500 From: David Jason Clemens Received: by merak.cc.umanitoba.ca (4.1/25-eef) id AA28010; Wed, 3 May 95 09:59:18 CDT Date: Wed, 3 May 95 09:59:18 CDT Message-Id: <9505031459.AA28010@merak.cc.umanitoba.ca> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime References: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Status: RO In rec.arts.anime you write: ] The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of ] opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer ] American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed ] responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to ] rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. ] The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND ] IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. ] Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an ] emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. ] ---- ] Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) ] I prefer: ] [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime ] [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime ] Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) ] If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: ] [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles ] [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles ] Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) ] Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: ] [3] Normal subtitle ] [6] Normal dub ] [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning ] for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) ] [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning ] for subtitling ] [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both ] dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side ] [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both ] dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side ] Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) ] How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect ] to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? ] [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant ] Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) ] How many LD's of the following types do you: ] OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY ] Original Japanese [ 1 ] [ 3 ] ] Normal Subtitle [ 9 ] [ 2 ] ] Normal Dub [ ] [ ] ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 9 ] [ 3 ] ] One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] ] dubbed w/out CC ] One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] ] dubbed with CC ] Question 6: ] Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Plan to buy is a strange field... I plan to buy a lot of LDs, but most are waiting on the release. Lodoss, Video Girl Ai, Ranma, etc. only 2 LDs that will be released in the next month tho. the CC ones are Tenchi Muyou, which I only bought because its my favorate show, and even bad captioning wasn't going to deter me. ] -- ] /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng ] "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR ] "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" ] -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict From at2u+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed May 3 08:09:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id IAA11100; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:09:18 -0700 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA06363 for mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:09:02 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Jan.26.1995.18.43.47.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron P Teske To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Status: RO Well, I'm shoving my comments in the middle of things, just to make them more coherent. I think. Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.anime: 3-May-95 [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR.. by Mark L. Neidengard@wrath > Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime However, this preference comes from lots of bad dubs. I find myself watching Green Legend Ran in English, rather than in Japanese... it was a *very* good dub, IMHO. > Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [x] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Actually, I'm not sure, since this situation has yet to arise.... > Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Of course, the reverse of Pioneer's format (#3) really would not be made in the US, since it would be an English-speaking market. And again, if the dub is really good, having it on the digital track does not hurt. > Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > > Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 3 ] [ 3+? ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 4 ] [ 1+? ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] > dubbed with CC The ?'s are questions; right now, 0, but I'll buy things if that's the format they're released in. The things I'm currently looking to buy are Detonator Orgun (USMC, normal subs I think), Record of Lodoss War (USMC, might be anything at this point), and Wings of Honneamise (probably the Pioneer bi/CC release, since that, too, was a really good dub). The "hybrid" disks (normal sub/normal dub on opposide sides) depends on what AnimEigo brings out. > Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: My main problem with stating my views is that anime seems to be in a rapid state of change. With more and more anime appearing in the US, more options keep appearing as people try to both attract new fans and keep the "old-timers" happy. IMHO, I see the CC subs becoming predominent, though AnimEigo's hybrid disks would certainly sell well in the fan community. Assuming all the English dubs start improving (Wings of Honneamise and Green Legend Ran being the best so far, but still not *great*), I might be watching more anime in English. Certainly makes it easier to cook and eat dinner while doing so.... Aaron Teske mithramuse+@cmu.edu From chennav@haas.berkeley.edu Wed May 3 08:41:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from haas.berkeley.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id IAA15776; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:41:28 -0700 Received: by haas.berkeley.edu (5.65/Haas-1.34) id AA09071; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:41:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:41:21 -0700 From: chennav@haas.berkeley.edu (John Chennavasin) Message-Id: <9505031541.AA09071@haas.berkeley.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Haas School of Business, University of California, Berkeley Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 5 ] [ 3 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ 3 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 4 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 2 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: From brandal0@tiger.gtc.georgetown.ky.us Wed May 3 09:36:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from tiger.gtc.georgetown.ky.us by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id JAA23613; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:36:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199505031636.JAA23613@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu> Received: by tiger.gtc.georgetown.ky.us (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA135409027; Wed, 3 May 1995 12:37:07 -0400 From: Dana Bloyd Subject: R.A.A. USMC POLL To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Date: Wed, 3 May 95 12:37:07 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Status: RO here are my responses to your poll (in abbreviated format, sorry): Question 1: SUBTITLED Question 2: PERMANENT Question 3: [2] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [3] Digital dub, analog original, close-cap [5] Analog dub, digital original, close-cap [1] Normal sub on one side, dub and original on other w\CC [4] Normal sub on one side, dub and original on other w/o CC Question 4: 5 Question 5: I currently own no LD; I am, however, buying one within the month. Question 6: Let me comment a little on question five. I have no LD yet, but will buy one within the month and then hope to collect as many titles as possible on LD (I only started collecting anime last december). The titles I will buy will be subtitled unless no other format is available, and I fully intend on purchasing import LD's of films by the likes of Miyazaki. When purchasing, I give preference to subtitled anime over both dubbed or bilingual. Also, in Question 3, although "Normal subtitle" is listed second, I understand that it is the most feasible of all the options. Thank you for taking the time to conduct this poll. -- Bill Randall brandal0 @ gtc.georgetown.ky.us Georgetown College From shimkevi@acs.bu.edu Wed May 3 09:51:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: from acs2.bu.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id JAA25614; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:51:40 -0700 From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu Received: by acs2.bu.edu (8.6.11/BU_SmartClient-1.0) id MAA119114; Wed, 3 May 1995 12:47:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 12:47:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199505031647.MAA119114@acs2.bu.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you wrote: : Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : I prefer: : [ ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime : [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Sorry, no preference whatsoever. Depends on what the show is like, what mood I am in, etc, etc. : Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: : [X] Closed-captioned subtitles : [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles : Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) : Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: : [5] Normal subtitle : [6] Normal dub : [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning : for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) : [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning : for subtitling : [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side : [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side : Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) : How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect : to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? : [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant From davisrj@arts.dfrc.nasa.gov Wed May 3 11:52:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: from arts.dfrc.nasa.gov by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id LAA14278; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:52:40 -0700 Received: from nautilus.dfrc.nasa.gov by arts.dfrc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04237; Wed, 3 May 95 11:52:39 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 95 11:52:39 PDT From: davisrj@arts.dfrc.nasa.gov (Roy Davis) Message-Id: <9505031852.AA04237@arts.dfrc.nasa.gov> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Organization: PRC Inc., NASA-Dryden FRF X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you wrote: : The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of : opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer : American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed : responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to : rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. : The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND : IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. : Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an : emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. : ---- : Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : I prefer: : [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime : [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime : Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: : [X] Closed-captioned subtitles : [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles : Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) : Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: : [4] Normal subtitle : [5] Normal dub : [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning : for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) : [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning : for subtitling : [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side : [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side : Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) : How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect : to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? : [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant : Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) : How many LD's of the following types do you: : OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY : Original Japanese [ 16 ] [ 12 ] : Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ 3 ] : Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : Dub/normal audio & CC [ 2 ] [ 1 ] : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : dubbed w/out CC : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] : dubbed with CC : Question 6: : Please enter any comments you wish to make below: My prefered LD format would be the bilingual CC format, mainly because you get the original animation without the blemish of subtitles, as well as the options of subtitles and dub track should you wish to use them. - Roy ============================================================================= = Roy Davis is = PRC Inc. = "Look, let me go = = davisrj@arts.dfrc.nasa.gov = P.O. Box 273 = back in there and = = = Building 4839/NASA = face the Peril" = = = Edwards, CA 93523 = -- The Holy Grail = ============================================================================= http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Projects/F18SRA/ARTS/roy.html From ctw0%bucket@gte.com Wed May 3 12:18:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: from ns.gte.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id MAA18143; Wed, 3 May 1995 12:18:33 -0700 From: ctw0%bucket@gte.com Received: from bunny.gte.com by ns.gte.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA28889; Wed, 3 May 1995 15:16:46 -0400 Received: from bucket.cisl214 by bunny.gte.com (8.6.9/GTEL2.19) id PAA29688; Wed, 3 May 1995 15:18:28 -0400 Received: from flask.cisl214 (dazzle) by bucket.cisl214 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00759; Wed, 3 May 95 15:18:27 EDT Date: Wed, 3 May 95 15:18:27 EDT Message-Id: <9505031918.AA00759@bucket.cisl214> Received: by flask.cisl214 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02251; Wed, 3 May 95 15:18:07 EDT To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) In-Reply-To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu's message of 3 May 1995 02:23:40 GMT Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Reply-To: ctwilkes@gte.com Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [x] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 25 ] [ ] Normal Subtitle [ 27 ] [ 1 ] Normal Dub [ 1 ] [ ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 13 ] [ 1 ] One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: -- C. T. (Tom) Wilkes INTERNET: ctwilkes@gte.com From jkatin@pcnet.com Wed May 3 16:55:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id QAA00824; Wed, 3 May 1995 16:55:54 -0700 Received: by pcnet1.pcnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01328; Wed, 3 May 95 19:57:27 EDT Date: Wed, 3 May 95 19:57:27 EDT From: jkatin@pcnet.com (Jeff Katin) Message-Id: <9505032357.AA01328@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Organization: PCNet, Connecticut's Internet Provider X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you wrote: : The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of : opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer : American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed : responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to : rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. : The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND : IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. : Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an : emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. : ---- : Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : I prefer: : [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime : [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime : Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) : If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: : [X] Closed-captioned subtitles : [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles : Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) : Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: : [1.5] Normal subtitle : [6] Normal dub : [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning : for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) : [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning : for subtitling : [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side : [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both : dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side : Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) : How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect : to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? : [2] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant : Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) : How many LD's of the following types do you: : OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY : Original Japanese [ 5 ] [ many ] : Normal Subtitle [ 0 ] [ many ] : Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ none ] : Dub/normal audio & CC [ 8 ] [ none ] : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ some ] : dubbed w/out CC : One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ some ] : dubbed with CC : Question 6: : Please enter any comments you wish to make below: CAV/CLV: CAV is very important, but if cost becomes an issue (i.e. CAV would cause it to become 2 discs instead of 1) then CLV is acceptable. Also, PLEASE put logical side breaks on CAV discs, no middle-of-scene breaks. CC/Sub: I prefer CC subs, but hard subs are acceptable in a pinch. I really like to abliliey to turn the subs OFF and get an unblemished picture if desired. It also causes a clearer picture in the most part, skipping one generation of masters Dual Version LDs: If there is a significant price difference between putting the program on once, in a single format, or putting it but subbed and not. Dont do it. I'd rather have hard subs then have to pay extra for dual formats. : -- : /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng : "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR : "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" : -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Jeff Katin | "At the end of the journey, all men think |jkatin@pnet.com | that their youth was Arcadia..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gavigan@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu Wed May 3 18:14:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from venice.mps.ohio-state.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id SAA11740; Wed, 3 May 1995 18:14:32 -0700 Received: by venice.mps.ohio-state.edu (8.6.10/1.890401) id VAA12611; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:14:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:14:19 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Gavigan" Message-Id: <199505040114.VAA12611@venice.mps.ohio-state.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Ohio State University Physics Department Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [3] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [5] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 2 ] [ ] > Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > > Ryan Gavigan gavigan@ venice.mps.ohio-state.edu > From alpha!eurotaku@wwa.com Wed May 3 18:33:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from sashimi.wwa.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id SAA14490; Wed, 3 May 1995 18:33:29 -0700 Received: from alpha by sashimi.wwa.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #8) id m0s6pu5-001VyxC; Wed, 3 May 95 20:40 CDT Received: by alpha.IXO.be (AmigaSmail2.0 for ) id <0000000000111s@alpha.IXO.be>; Wed, 03 May 1995 13:54:18 CET Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 13:59:51 +0100 Organization: Urd-sama's Desk - Relief Goddess Office X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 1.0d6 Message-Id: <9505031354.0000000000111r@alpha.IXO.be> From: eurotaku@IXO.be (Jeroen Croux) To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Status: RO > The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of > opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer > American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed > responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to > rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > > The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND > IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > > Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an > emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > > ---- > > Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > > Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [x] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > > Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [3] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > > Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > > Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 74 ] [ 17 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 4 ] [ 12 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 4 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > > Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: In question 3 - last 2 options - I assumed original audio on DIGITAL track! In question 4, I want to make clear that CLV is not important (I have a digital memory in my LD player) but as a lot of CLV discs are rather badly pressed (USA made ones) causing cross-over interferences (herringbone patterns), I do usually go for CAV when buying US discs. In question 6, I counted the no's of discs in a box separately. Planning to buy is within the next 3-6 months. One side sub/other dub without CC I assumed to be the new AnimEigo format. As you are passing this on to USMC, I would like to say to them following : I have sofar bought no USMC discs for several reasons : - lousy video transfer - some people who can tell told me the translation contains several errors (this was in connection with the RG Veda release) - USMC uses Image. Image's main manufacturer is Mitsubishi, which has considerable rot problems. When you are in the process of changing formats, why not change your production process (digital mastering - better video transfers) and your manufacturer/distributor. If you don't want to switch to Pioneer, then insist with Image that they use CBS/Sony Japan or Kuraray for manufacturing your discs. No matter what format you choose, if your video quality does not come up to par with Pioneer/AnimEigo's and if your discs are still manufactured by Mitsubishi, COUNT ME OUT! I will NOT buy your discs yet happily shell out more than double for an imported disc! Mata ne! Jeroen From patricn@eng.clemson.edu Wed May 3 21:42:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from eng.clemson.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id VAA09947; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:42:45 -0700 Received: from carnot.eng.clemson.edu.eng by eng.clemson.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09030; Thu, 4 May 95 00:42:43 EDT Date: Thu, 4 May 95 00:42:43 EDT From: patricn@eng.clemson.edu (patrick nguyen) Message-Id: <9505040442.AA09030@eng.clemson.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USM Status: RO In article 6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu, mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) writes: > The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of > opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer > American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed > responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to > rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > > The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND > IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > > Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an > emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > > ---- > > Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > > Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > > Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5 ] Normal subtitle > [6 ] Normal dub > [4 ] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3 ] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2 ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1 ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > > Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3 ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > > Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ 7 ] > Normal Dub [ 1 ] [ 4 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 5 ] [ 4 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > > Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > > > > > > > -- > /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng > "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR > "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" > -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict From PSMCGU@ccmail.monsanto.com Thu May 4 10:38:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: from tin by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id KAA04894; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:37:57 -0700 Received: from ccgtwint.monsanto.com by tin (5.65/Monsanto1.7) id AA03925; Thu, 4 May 1995 12:37:43 -0500 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by ccmail.monsanto.com id AA799616611; Thu, 04 May 95 12:35:06 cst Date: Thu, 04 May 95 12:35:06 cst From: "PETER S MCGUIGAN" Message-Id: <9504047996.AA799616611@ccmail.monsanto.com> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [2] Normal subtitle [4] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [6] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ - ] Normal Subtitle [ 0 ] [ 50 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 10 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ - ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ - ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ - ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: I am a new fan, so the subtlties of recording on analog vs. digital track are not clear to me. Likewise, CAV vs. CLV. You may want to delete my answer to #4 for that reason. I strongly support subs over dubs. From balagtad@seq.oit.osshe.edu Thu May 4 10:41:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: from osshe.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id KAA05272; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:41:25 -0700 Received: from seq.oit.osshe.edu (seq.OIT.OSSHE.EDU [140.211.71.7]) by osshe.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA05974 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:41:21 -0700 Received: by seq.oit.osshe.edu (5.65/1.35) id AA24064; Thu, 4 May 95 10:39:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 10:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Balagtas Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) (fwd) To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [5] Normal dub [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [6] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 10 ] [ 5 ] Normal Subtitle [ 15 ] [ 4 ] Normal Dub [ 2 ] [ 1 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 0 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: -- /!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng "Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR "Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict From captsam@tcp.com Thu May 4 13:09:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: from tcp.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id NAA22503; Thu, 4 May 1995 13:09:03 -0700 Received: (from captsam@localhost) by tcp.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id NAA01574 for mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu; Thu, 4 May 1995 13:08:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:08:53 -0700 From: Sam Chung Message-Id: <199505042008.NAA01574@tcp.com> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: USMC Poll.. Content-Length: 1582 Status: RO 1: [ ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime 2: [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles 3: [ ] Normal subtitle [ ] Normal dub [ ] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [ ] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [ ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [ ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side (The above in this order: 1, 6, 5, 3, 4, 2) -- 4: CAV (1, for US Discs, 5 for Japanese Disc [AnimEigo 3M LDs suck!]) CLV (5) --- 5: Original Japanese [ ] [ ] Normal Subtitle [ ] [ ] Normal Dub [ ] [ ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ ] [ ] One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] dubbed with CC 5; (Many) 7; (Many) 0; 0 (never) 0; 0 (if DUB on Digital) -- (maybe a few if Original on DIGITAL Track) 0; (many?) 0; (many?) -- [I don't know] --- --- Comments: Again, I hate the dubs. I don't mind the bilingual disks as long as they have the Japanese on the Digital Track (at leas tthat way I can resub them later) DUBS SUCK! I'll never buy USMC again if they go to their new format with the DUB on the Digital Track. --- Sam From kirati@u.washington.edu Thu May 4 22:39:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: from mead3.u.washington.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id WAA06752; Thu, 4 May 1995 22:39:32 -0700 Received: by mead3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA38260; Thu, 4 May 95 22:39:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 95 22:39:31 -0700 From: Kirati Laisathit Message-Id: <9505050539.AA38260@mead3.u.washington.edu> X-Sender: kirati@mead3.u.washington.edu To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [x] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [5] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Normal Subtitle [ 2 ] [ 4 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 7 ] [ 3 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Other comments. Question 5 It is rather confusing in the "plan to buy" category. You should provide a time frame for the question. For example, instead of asking how many more LD purchases are planned, you should ask, how many LD purchases are planned in the next 6 months. Frankly, I answer question 5 with that kind of limited horizon in mind. Now, different people will have different horizon. The end result is your sample will be full of bias. Question 4 I think you might have forgotten another format. I haven't seen myself, but I heard a few complaints about LD with subtitled and dub digital/ original analog track. In addition, whereas the last two choices are extremely desirable, they are not very realistic. I don't think that any producer will start throwing every trick into LD format. Including these two chices will only skew your result dramatically. Since these last two are highly desirable, most people will select them. Consequently, you won't have sufficient observations for other choices. Kirati From tkinnen@Packet.Net Thu May 4 22:48:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from Packet.Net by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id WAA07839; Thu, 4 May 1995 22:47:57 -0700 Received: from ftm017.packet.net by Packet.Net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14461; Fri, 5 May 1995 00:49:36 -0400 From: tkinnen@Packet.Net (Thomas Kinnen) Received: by ftm017.packet.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.13B/1.0um) id AA0140; Fri, 05 May 95 00:24:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 05 May 95 00:24:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9505050724.AA0140@ftm017.packet.net> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) content-length:99 Status: RO mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) writes: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [x] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [3] Normal subtitle > [4] Normal dub > [1] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [2] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [6] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 0] [ 2] > Normal Subtitle [ 13] [ 5] > Normal Dub [ 0] [ 0] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 21] [ 11] > One side subbed, other [ 0] [ 0] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0] [ 0] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: On question #3 I do not have any in the last 2 formats so I rate them at the bottom. On question #4 I would give up the CVA if they would fill both sides of the disc at the same or close to price (ex: I would not nind losing the CVA if Pioneer did 4 Eposiods per LD at the 39.95 price). Other then that I would rather have an LD is CVA with Sub on one track and dub on another with CC rather then Sub on one side and Dub on another (ex: the last two formats in question #3) Internet: tkinnen@sobhrach.com | Thomas Kinnen * Ft Myers, Fl * USA Internet: tkinnen@packet.net | Running OS/2 Warp! Fido: 1:371/3901 | AnimeNet: 401:813/0 Geek Code 2.1: GCS/MU d H>++ s:+ g++(-) p4+ au+ a25 w-(++) v(*) C++$>++++ L+>+++ N++ E? W_(+)$ -po+ Y+ t+@ 5@ !j R(+++) tv+@ b+++@ D- B- e+(*) u**(+) h++ f+ r@ n-(---) x+(*) From mingso@netcom.com Thu May 4 23:41:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id XAA15001; Thu, 4 May 1995 23:41:41 -0700 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA06406; Thu, 4 May 1995 23:40:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 23:40:54 -0700 From: mingso@netcom.com (Ming Yau So) Message-Id: <199505050640.XAA06406@netcom11.netcom.com> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Hen na Hen na Uchuu ! Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [1] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [2] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 16 ] [ 30 ] Normal Subtitle [ 36 ] [ 15 ] Normal Dub [ 1 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 1 ] [ 10 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 2 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: If the companies are going to offer the hybird-discs, they should priced the disc no more expensive than a normal sub/dub disc unless they also offer a normal single-sided sub/dub disc, since most of the people just need one format, and they should not be charged for the stuff they don't want/need. When doing bilingual disc, they should always put the original track on digital, the "general" public usually don't care about the track quality, but many fans do care about it. -- ============================================================================== Ming Yau So Internet: mingso@netcom.com AOL: Ming So ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From isaackuo@ocf.Berkeley.EDU Fri May 5 07:12:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: from tempest.berkeley.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id HAA18229; Fri, 5 May 1995 07:12:31 -0700 Received: by tempest.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA11408; Fri, 5 May 1995 07:12:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 07:12:27 -0700 From: Isaac Ji Kuo Message-Id: <199505051412.AA11408@tempest.berkeley.edu> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [ ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant 4 >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 3 ] [ 2 ] > Normal Subtitle [ ] [ ] > Normal Dub [ ] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 2 ] [ ] > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed with CC >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: It's hard to say how many LD's I'm planning to buy. I was saving up for a box set, which implies 5 or more (original Japanese) LDs. Now that I have the ~$500 to spare, I no longer want the box set I was saving up for (Ranma OAV set--I'm now waiting for Viz to release bilingual discs). I'm now shopping around. The two other LDs I plan on are DNA2, which I'm fansubbing. -- _____ Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@OCF.berkeley.edu) __|_>o<_|__ As the world looked on ... Earth's fate hung in balance ... /___________\ The fight for survival ... now begins! ... FINAL BATTLE IN ... \=\>----- Received: from novice.uwaterloo.ca by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id HAA25910; Fri, 5 May 1995 07:58:25 -0700 Received: by novice.uwaterloo.ca id <159452>; Fri, 5 May 1995 10:58:34 -0400 From: Alan Liu To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo Message-Id: <95May5.105834edt.159452@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 10:58:22 -0400 Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > IXprefer: > [ ] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > P1ease rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [6] Normal subtitle > [5] Normal dub > [ ] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > 4 for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [ ] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > 3 for subtitling > [ ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > 2 dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [ ] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > t3 CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [ ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN0NOW PLAN 0O BUY > Original Japanese [ 7 ] [ ? ] > Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Dub [ 1 ] [ ? ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ ? ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] > dubbed with CC > -- .:XXX XXXXX XXXXx. X /XXX\ | Alan S. Y. Liu XX X X...X' X xxx X...X | - University of Waterloo 2A Elec. Eng. `:XXX X X X Xxxxx X X | - Where am I?? CLUB THAT REALLY LIKES ANIME | - email: asyliu@io.org From na@SEI.CMU.EDU Fri May 5 15:46:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from as0a.sei.cmu.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id PAA07634; Fri, 5 May 1995 15:46:07 -0700 Received: from iq.sei.cmu.edu by as0a.sei.cmu.edu (8.6.9/3.00) id SAA29689; Fri, 5 May 1995 18:42:43 -0400 Received: from localhost.sei.cmu.edu by iq.sei.cmu.edu (8.6.10/3.00) id SAA04666; Fri, 5 May 1995 18:42:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199505052242.SAA04666@iq.sei.cmu.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu (Mark L. Neidengard) Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Fri, 05 May 95 18:42:35 EDT From: Neal Altman Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, you write: The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. ---- Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [2] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [3] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 20 ] [ 4 ] Normal Subtitle [ 55 ] [ 15 ] Normal Dub [ 2 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 12 ] [ 10 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ? ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: I'm essentially uninterested in dubs. My criteria for a good dub is one I don't have to listen to. In Question 5, do you mean number of discs or number of titles? I answered on the basis of titles. In Question 5, the "Plan to Buy" column is essentially meaningless without some sort of time frame. Plan to buy this within a year? Have on preorder? Would like to buy if I win the lottery? From ender@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM Fri May 5 12:33:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id MAA07447; Fri, 5 May 1995 12:33:22 -0700 Received: (from ender@localhost) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.6.10/8.6.10) id OAA06292; Fri, 5 May 1995 14:33:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 14:33:21 -0500 From: Ender Wiggin Message-Id: <199505051933.OAA06292@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> X-Provider: NeoSoft, Inc.: Internet Service Provider (713) 968-5800 To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: World Welfare Work Association - Neosoft Branch Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 25 ] [ ] > Normal Subtitle [ 1 ] [ ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: For question 4 about CAV/CLV, I like CAV for short stuff (like under 1hour) so that it fits on 1 disc. For longer movies, CLV. It's just too much of a pain to switch out 5 disc like Fantasia. Pressing the same material on 2 sides of a disc seems like a waste of resources for me (even though most anime is released on one side). I don't think I would like to the pay the premium for such a feature. Anthony "Are..." "Are..." Ender Lau "ARE..." Wiggin /***************************\/===========================================\ |ender@starbase.neosoft.com | "Demo, atashi no hoo ga niatte wa ne"-Yuri | \***************************/| Animedia special on Project Eden. ========/ \==================================/ Still Searching For Intelligent Life From hamaguch@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Fri May 5 22:39:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id WAA13319; Fri, 5 May 1995 22:39:03 -0700 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11668(6)>; Fri, 5 May 1995 16:37:49 -1000 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu via suspension id <184682>; Fri, 5 May 1995 16:37:38 -1000 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu id <184680>; Fri, 5 May 1995 16:30:50 -1000 From: Ron Hamaguchi To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: University of Hawaii Message-Id: <95May5.163050hst.184680@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 16:29:21 -1000 Status: RO >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Purposely left blank. I don't mind either way. >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [3] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [2] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ ~35 ] [at least 8] Completes, Taiho Shichauzo and Iria > Normal Subtitle [ 5 ] [don't know.] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [6 ] [don't know ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > > > > > > >-- >/!\/!ark /!\!eidengard, CS Major, VLSI. http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mneideng >"Fairy of sleep, controller of illusions" Operator/System Administrator, CACR >"Control the person for my own purpose." "Don't mess with the Dark Elves!" > -Pirotess, _Record_of_Lodoss_War_ Shadowrunner and Anime Addict -- Trouble Consultant, WWWA, Queen's Branch, Hawaii. TIP#379 hamaguch@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu From homer!joho@remcomp.fr Sun May 7 14:33:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id OAA11448; Sun, 7 May 1995 14:32:38 -0700 Received: by homer (MKS Internet Anywhere); Sun, 07 May 95 23:26:56 UTC From: joho@homer.remcomp.fr (Hans ter Horst) To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Date: Sun, 07 May 1995 23:05:55 +0200 X-MAILER: MKS Internet Anywhere - Compose 1.1d X-MKSIA-SN: 3990233733 Message-Id: <799889216@homer> Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you wrote: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 34] [ LOTS ] > Normal Subtitle [ 5] [ LOTS ] > Normal Dub [ ] [ NONE ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ ] [ NONE ] > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > > CC is a problem in Europe. > > -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ __| _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_| _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _| _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _|_/ _/ Hans ter Horst _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ __/ _/_/_/_/ joho@homer.remcomp.fr From anthony.visser%canrem.com@mail.uunet.ca Sun May 7 20:22:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from sloth.ugcs.caltech.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id UAA17399; Sun, 7 May 1995 20:22:05 -0700 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca by sloth.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id UAA19484; Sun, 7 May 1995 20:20:43 -0700 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193856-6>; Sun, 7 May 1995 22:53:10 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09003; Sun, 7 May 95 22:48:00 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1E059A; Sun, 7 May 95 22:14:53 -0500 To: MNEIDENG@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORM From: anthony.visser@canrem.com (Anthony Visser) Message-Id: <60.15735.104.0C1E059A@canrem.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 23:12:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: RO MLN> Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) MLN> I prefer: MLN> [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime MLN> [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime MLN> Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) MLN> If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I MLN> prefer: [X] Closed-captioned subtitles MLN> [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles MLN> Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) MLN> Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being MLN> lowest: [4] Normal subtitle MLN> [6] Normal dub MLN> [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed- MLN> captioning MLN> for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) MLN> [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed- MLN> captioning MLN> for subtitling MLN> [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both MLN> dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side MLN> [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both MLN> dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side MLN> Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) MLN> How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with MLN> respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? MLN> [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant MLN> Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) MLN> How many LD's of the following types do you: MLN> OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY MLN> Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ ] MLN> Normal Subtitle [ 15 ] [ 2+ ] MLN> Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] MLN> Dub/normal audio & CC [ 3 ] [ 15+ ] MLN> One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] MLN> dubbed w/out CC MLN> One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] MLN> dubbed with CC MLN> Question 6: MLN> Please enter any comments you wish to make below: The last 2 items on question 3, have been rated the same as I feel the CC is completely irrelevant in this case. I also rate it 3rd because of the additional cost of this format. Also the normal dub getting a 6 rating is somewhat irrelevant, since I would never buy one. In question 5, the plan to buy column contains the number already ordered, since I don't know the total number of episodes in some of the series. Anthony.Visser@Canrem.Com * Q-Blue 2.0 [NR] * From Pon.Poko@jhu.edu Mon May 8 09:26:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: from jhuml2.hcf.jhu.edu by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id JAA27337; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:25:58 -0700 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #5488) id <01HQ8LCFU26OI3SJUV@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu>; Sun, 07 May 1995 22:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #5488) id <01HQ8LCDAYYOI2MEK2@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu>; Sun, 07 May 1995 22:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu id <684-2>; Sun, 7 May 1995 22:49:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 May 1995 22:49:13 -0400 From: Steve Liu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) In-reply-to: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Message-id: <95May7.224920edt.684-2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [X] Closed-captioned subtitles > [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [5] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 1 ] [ few ] > Normal Subtitle [ 15 ] [not many now that cc is available] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 2 ] [ many ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Now that CC soft-subtitle discs are becoming more prevalent, that will be my preference when buying titles. I will be buying fewer hard-subtitled LDs from now on. I have always viewed hard-subtitles as a necessary evil, but now that CC subbing is available I am much happier. If two titles were available from two companies and I liked both equally, I would buy the title that had CC subtitles over the hard-subtitles. Hybrid discs waste space that could be used for better purposes such as more anime or the anime in CAV format. It would be silly to not have CC on any laserdisc, as it helps the hearing impaired. _ . (_' -|- .-. .-. | . You sir, are an ignorant asshole. ._) | \`' \/ \`' |__ | |_| --Robert J Woodhead Pon.Poko@jhu.edu From stuart%fianna.demon.co.uk@post.demon.co.uk Mon May 8 10:15:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id KAA05429; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:14:58 -0700 Received: by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa14279; 8 May 95 18:00 GMT-60:00 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa26995; 8 May 95 9:26 GMT-60:00 Received: from fianna.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id ab19638; 8 May 95 9:25 GMT-60:00 Date: Mon, 08 May 95 08:00:42 GMT Message-ID: <14209@fianna.demon.co.uk> From: Stuart Gale Organization: MAGE Editing Services Reply-To: stuart@fianna.demon.co.uk To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) X-Mailer: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 58 Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [2] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 1 ] [ 3 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 7 ] [ 3 ] > Normal Dub [ 2 ] [ ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 12 ] [ 8 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 1 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: As I commented earlier in the thread, for those of us in PAL land, the option of seeing CC as a function of the TV is not available. There are no TVs I'm aware of that come with decoders. And, even if they did, the NTSC standard is not the same as the PAL standard, so they wouldn't be picked up. The best idea so far (though I've not seen one yet) is the AnimEigo hydrid disk, but that will probably only be practical when the running length is short enough and the dub has been done at the same time as the sub. -- **************************************************************** Stuart Gale Internet: stuart@fianna.demon.co.uk "Speak softly and carry a beagle" **************************************************************** From Steve_Sakurai@pdxml2.mentorg.com Mon May 8 18:14:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: from newsgw by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id SAA28238; Mon, 8 May 1995 18:14:52 -0700 Received: from wv.wv.mentorg.com by newsgw (8.6.4/CF5.22R) id VAA23261; Mon, 8 May 1995 21:13:45 -0400 Received: from pdxml2.mentorg.com by wv.wv.mentorg.com (8.6.8.1/CF5.22R) id SAA28655; Mon, 8 May 1995 18:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 8 May 1995 18:03:10 U From: "Steve Sakurai" Subject: Poll To: "Mark N" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Mark L. Neidengard, mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu writes: >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [x] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 15 ] [ 0 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 15 ] [ 10 ] > Normal Dub [ 2 ] [ 1 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 4 ] [ 2 ] > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ ] [ ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: If closed captioning is used, it NEEDS to be _mixed case_! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Steve "Sizzler Black" Sakurai | Oregon: | | Mentor Graphics Corporation | Scenic Waystation for | | steve_sakurai@mentorg.com | 100t HyperDimensional SuperHammers | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From robertt@mel.dbce.csiro.au Tue May 9 19:29:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from highett.mel.dbce.csiro.au by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id TAA22024; Tue, 9 May 1995 19:28:53 -0700 Received: by highett.mel.dbce.csiro.au id AA16735 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/DBCE-1.1 for mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu); Wed, 10 May 1995 12:28:51 +1000 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:28:51 +1000 From: Robert Thompson Message-Id: <199505100228.AA16735@highett.mel.dbce.csiro.au> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: CSIRO, Div. Building Constr. and Eng'ing, Melb., Australia Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >The purpose of this poll is to furnish USMC with the distillation of >opinions from participants in rec.arts.anime about the proper way to offer >American-language formatted anime on laserdisc. I will compile all emailed >responses and send the results to USMC, in addition to posting the results to >rec.arts.anime and keeping a copy in my archives. > >The last time I will take responses is May 16, 0000 PST, 1995. PLEASE RESPOND >IN EMAIL TO mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu. > >Please be honest in answering the questions below. Though the topic is an >emotionally-charged one, please try for as concise a tone as possible. > > >---- > >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime > >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles > >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [3] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side > >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [5] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant > >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 20 ] [ 12 ] > Normal Subtitle [ 25 ] [ 4 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 10 ] [ 2 ] > One side subbed, other [ 1 ] [ 1 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC > >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: > CC decoders are unavailable in my country, so CC subtitles are considered to be useless to me for many years to come. Someday a worthwhile box may become available to me (given no-one seems able to recommend one now) but it is not the way to bet. CC capability is not considered worthwhile by me when making a purchase choice. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ | Robert Thompson CSIRO Division of Building, Construction and Engineering | | Post Office Box 56, Highett, Victoria, Australia 3190 | | Internet: robertt@mel.dbce.csiro.au Tel:+61 3 252 6182 Fax:+61 3 252 6241 | |___________________________________________________________________________| | Team H Australia | Melbourne Anime Society | "Otaku no baka" | |______________________|_____________________________|______________________| | Though this be madness, yet there is method in it - William Shakespeare | |___________________________________________________________________________| Article 176418 of rec.arts.anime: Path: nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!tee2 From: tee2@po.CWRU.Edu (Thomas E. Evans) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime Subject: USMC Poll Alan Peters Detailed Results [Long] Date: 8 May 1995 20:20:33 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 166 Message-ID: <3olueh$msc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: tee2@po.CWRU.Edu (Thomas E. Evans) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Here is a breakdown of my current Anime LD selection: 38 titles on 53 discs. Boxed sets like UY TV 1-10 and Urotsuidoji count as one title. FHE: 2 USMC: 10 Streamline: 3 Pioneer: 2 Sony: 1 Animeigo: 13 Right Stuf: 3 A.D. Vision: 2 Fox: 1 Original Japanese: 1 I guess the winner is Animego, not only did they have the most titles but also the most expensive title. Subtitled: 25 Dubbed: 7 Bilingual: 3 Bilingual/CC: 2 Original Japanese: 1 CAV: 5 CLV: 30 CLV/CAV: 3 ------------------------------------------------------- What I plan to buy, these are not guesses, they are not stacked to favor any format. I have prepaided for the following discs and only wait for their arrival. I will give you the titles along with what I think is the correct information about that title. Armitage III Part 1: Electro Blood -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Armitage III Part 2: Flesh & Stone -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Baoh -Animeigo Hybrid CLV Battle Angel Alita -A.D. Vision Sub CAV (I have been waiting for this to come out for a long time. I really like A.D. VisionUs laserdisc pressings.) Castle of Cagliastro -Streamline Bilingual CLV El Hazard/The Magnificent World -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Hakken-Den/Tale of the Eight Dogs Vol. 1 -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Macross Plus Volume 1 -Manga Entertainment Bi/CC CAV Phantom Quest Corp Volume 1 -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV (Yes, I know this already came out, but I havenUt picked it up yet.) Phantom Quest Corp Volume 2 -Pioneer Bi/CC CAV Professional:Golgo 13 (The) -Streamline Bilingual CLV Toward the Terra -USMC? Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 1 Only You -Animeigo Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 3 Remember My Love -Animeigo Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 4 Lum the Forever -Animeigo Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 5 Final Chapter -Animeigo Sub CLV Urusei Yatsura Movie 6 Always my Darling -Animeigo Sub CLV Wind Named Amnesia (A) -USMC? Sub CLV If all the information is correct then my future buying plans are as follows: 18 titles Manga Entertainment: 1 USMC: 2 Streamline: 2 Pioneer: 6 Animeigo: 6 A.D. Vision: 1 Subtitled: 8 Dubbed: 0 Bilingual: 2 Bilingual/CC: 7 CAV: 8 CLV: 10 CLV/CAV: 0 Now to answer the questions to the USMC poll: Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [x] Closed-captioned subtitles [ ] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [5] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [2] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed- captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [1] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed- captioning for subtitling [4] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [3] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [3] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [1] [0] Normal Subtitle [25] [8] USMC, Animeigo, A.D. Vision Normal Dub [7] [0] Fox, Right Stuf, FHE Dub/normal audio & CC [2] [7] Pioneer, Manga Entertainment One side subbed, other [0] [1] Animeigo (new) dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [0] [0] Nobody? dubbed with CC You left out Streamline's format which would be Dub/normal audio [3] [2] Streamline Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: I am not about to rule out CC subtitles yet. The black box can be made transparent and a more attractive font can be used. From what I've read on the net, multiple subtitles can be shown on the screen at the same time for speech and song translations. Text in different colors or different positions can be used to signify different speakers. CC is capable of having multiple subtitled tracks containing very simple subtitles, ones that children can read to very detailed tracks that could make even the strongest willed otaku proud. There is even a text mode that you could switch to that could give you something equivalent to realtime liner notes. I would love to have Japanese culture explained to me, read how this particular word or sight gag was impossible to translate into English or just someplace that might translate that what is written on the side of the man's thermos is Tea, whether it is important to the story or not. :^) The key player in all of this is Pioneer who makes all the key components to satisfy an Anime fan. Pioneer makes Laserdisc players, VCRs, TVs, Laserdiscs, Videotapes, Anime, and Bilingual LDs with CC subtitles. They started this discussion and they could just as easily put an end to it with equipment with excellent CC capablities built in and Anime that uses those capabilites to the fullest. The descisions being made here have just as much impact on people who watch Anime on videotape as it does LDs since videotape is also capable of having CC. Alan D. Peters From agitator@kaiwan.com Wed May 10 21:00:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from kaiwan.kaiwan.com by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id VAA01056; Wed, 10 May 1995 21:00:05 -0700 Received: (agitator@localhost) by kaiwan.kaiwan.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA17066; Wed, 10 May 1995 21:00:00 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 21:00:00 -0700 From: "Profess'nal Agitator" Message-Id: <199505110400.UAA17066@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> To: mneideng@wrath.ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime In-Reply-To: <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: >Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > I prefer: > [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime > [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime >Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) > If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: > [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles > [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles >Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) > Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: > [1] Normal subtitle > [6] Normal dub > [4] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning > for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) > [3] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning > for subtitling > [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side > [5] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both > dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side >Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) > How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect > to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? > [4] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant >Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) > How many LD's of the following types do you: > OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY > Original Japanese [ 42 ] [ 10+ ] > Normal Subtitle [ 5 ] [ 5 ] > Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > Dub/normal audio & CC [ 7 ] [ 10 ] > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 3 ] > dubbed w/out CC > One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] > dubbed with CC >Question 6: > Please enter any comments you wish to make below: Agitator #-> * Now there are two reasons to boycott Island Records / Corporate SST Still* * 1. the Negativland incident 2. Manga Video // Sucks Rock* *------------- R E M E M B E R B E I J I N G --------------//------------* *IBM PC - Who wants a politically correct computer? \\ // Only AMIGA!* *================================= Bring Back the Caltech \X/ Cannon!! ====* *Roderick Lee, HMC '91 "The Professional Agitator" agitator@kaiwan.com* From izumi.DIALix.oz.au!michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au Fri May 12 11:10:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: from perth.DIALix.oz.au by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with ESMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id LAA06540; Fri, 12 May 1995 11:10:26 -0700 Received: from izumi.UUCP (izumuucp@localhost) by perth.DIALix.oz.au (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) with UUCP id CAA06852 for mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu; Sat, 13 May 1995 02:10:19 +0800 Received: by izumi.DIALix.oz.au (UUPC/extended 1.11x); Fri, 12 May 1995 01:13:10 WST Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:13:10 WST From: "Michael Studte" Message-ID: <2fb245a6.izumi@izumi.DIALix.oz.au> To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [POLL] PREFERRED FORMAT FOR LD'S (for USMC) Status: RO In article <3o6pfc$6of@gap.cco.caltech.edu> you write: Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [x] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [x] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [3] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [1] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ ~50 ] [ many ] Normal Subtitle [ 3 ] [ some ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 0 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ some ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ some ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: CC is a format that will not work for anyone outside the NTSC region. We cannot get LDs in any subtitled or dubbed format, so we have to buy them from the US. BUT, CC decoders outside the US (ie. in PAL countries) don't work with NTSC LDs (different scan line is used for the CC codes). So, normal subtitles are obviously preferred over CC subs. -- +--Madoka---Teeta---ChaCha---Ryouko---Rikako---Noa---Lipmila--+ | Michael Studte, 46 Hackbridge Way, Bayswater 6053, Australia| | CUTE RULES! | Team H Australia | Gatchaman: The Legend Lives| | RAADORS Gold Card Member /Ryouko---Rikako---Noa---Lipmila--+ +--Madoka---Teeta---ChaCha/ From WWL1411@ACS.TAMU.EDU Sat May 13 09:11:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: from VMS2.TAMU.EDU by envy.ugcs.caltech.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/UGCS:4.43) id JAA19941; Sat, 13 May 1995 09:11:56 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 11:11:39 -0500 (CDT) From: BILL LOVELL To: mneideng@ugcs.caltech.edu Message-Id: <950513111139.20498d4e@ACS.TAMU.EDU> Subject: USMC Poll Status: RO Question 1: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) I prefer: [X] Subtitled anime over dubbed anime [ ] Dubbed anime over subtitled anime Question 2: (please ONLY mark a box in this section) If both closed-captioned and normal subtitles were available, I prefer: [ ] Closed-captioned subtitles [X] Normal (i.e. permanent) subtitles Question 3: (please ONLY number the selections below) Please rank the following formats, with 1 being highest and 6 being lowest: [3] Normal subtitle [6] Normal dub [5] Dub on DIGITAL track, original audio on ANALOG track, closed-captioning for subtitling (e.g. Pioneer's "multilingual" format) [4] Dub on ANALOG track, original audio on DIGITAL track, closed-captioning for subtitling [2] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio W/OUT closed-captioning on the other side [1] Normal subtitle on one side of a disc (with original audio), both dub and original audio WITH closed-captioning on the other side Question 4: (please ONLY enter a number in this section) How important is CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) format to you, with respect to CLV (Constant Linear Velocity)? [2 ] 1=extremely important, 5=unimportant Question 5: (please ONLY enter numbers in this section) How many LD's of the following types do you: OWN NOW PLAN TO BUY Original Japanese [ 0 ] [ 5 ] Normal Subtitle [ 3 ] [ 6 ] Normal Dub [ 0 ] [ 0 ] Dub/normal audio & CC [ 0 ] [ 0 ] One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 3 ] dubbed w/out CC One side subbed, other [ 0 ] [ 0 ] dubbed with CC Question 6: Please enter any comments you wish to make below: There are a lot of TV sets that do not have a CC decoder. It is not a good idea to expect a portion of your audience to purchase additional equipment. Subtitles are preferable to dubs, at the current time it is rare to find replacement voice actors who are as good as the originals.